Ethical question

[sportscentury]

If you are sure that it is the same jersey and that the auction house/dealer bought it directly from you, then I think that you should lay all the facts out, just the facts, and let the forum readers come to their own conclusions. If you call the dealer, I'm sure he will immediately spin it and dissuade you from posting here......

Dave

I agree. While I think it is important to contact the seller in order to explore the situation and collect more information before sharing the person's name/business here on the forum, I don't think it's at all likely that a seller/dealer is going to reply by saying that he manufactured the use and is fraudulently representing the jersey (and he certainly isn't going to encourage you to expose the situation on a public forum). I'm not sure I've ever heard of such a thing, in fact. With this said, this site is owned and operated by Chris Cavalier and it is important that you follow the rules of the forum/site, as overseen by Chirs, even if you may not fully concur with all of the rules. So far, I think you've handled this situation in a very responsible manner ... and there are several of us who are anxiously awaiting more information.

Best of luck and welcome to the forum,
Reid

[ChrisCavalier]

it is important that you follow the rules of the forum/site, as overseen by Chirs, even if you may not fully concur with all of the rules.

While I certainly don't want to get into another discussion about the purpose of the forum rules, I simply wanted to let those who are new to the site know that the rules were created to make sure all posts are done in a responsible manner and that seller reputations are not damaged by unproven speculation. If someone has tried to defraud another, and the proof can be provided, it would certainly help others to be made aware of that situation. However, we aren't the type of site that allows people to post irresponsibly based on pure conjecture.

In addition to trying to do the right thing, I personally believe the adherence to these rules has allowed this site to gain further credibility in the collecting community at large. We continue to grow dramatically as a community and I believe the fact that members post responsibly has helped to make that happen.

Once again, I do not want to get into a discussion about the rules. I just wanted to let our members know they have a definitive purpose and were not created arbitrarily.

Sincerely,
Christopher Cavalier
CEO - Game Used Universe

[otismalibu]

If you are sure that it is the same jersey and that the auction house/dealer bought it directly from you, then I think that you should lay all the facts out, just the facts, and let the forum readers come to their own conclusions. If you call the dealer, I'm sure he will immediately spin it and dissuade you from posting here......

Dave

I agree!

And let us know what kind of compensation you've been offered for your silence

[cjw]

Thank you Chris and all other members of the discussion board for your feedback and insight. I look forward to sharing positive hobby stories and info in the near future!

I feel it would be best to speak to the dealer/auctioneer face-to-face about this issue and will have the chance in early Nov. at the International Sports Collectables Show in Toronto. There is no reason to believe that he will admit any culpability in the issue but I would like to have him answer my questions in person.

After this meeting (assuming it happens) I would be pleased to share the details with the board in a fullsome, and professional manner. I want to stress that I have no desire to sully anyone's good name.

Thanks again

[ChrisCavalier]

Thank you Chris and all other members of the discussion board for your feedback and insight. I look forward to sharing positive hobby stories and info in the near future!

I feel it would be best to speak to the dealer/auctioneer face-to-face about this issue and will have the chance in early Nov. at the International Sports Collectables Show in Toronto. There is no reason to believe that he will admit any culpability in the issue but I would like to have him answer my questions in person.

After this meeting (assuming it happens) I would be pleased to share the details with the board in a fullsome, and professional manner. I want to stress that I have no desire to sully anyone's good name.

Thanks again

Thank you very much for handling this situation in such a professional and responsible manner. We are glad to have you aboard and I hope this site, and its members, prove helpful to you with your collecting needs.

Sincerely,
Chris

[sportscentury]

Thank you Chris and all other members of the discussion board for your feedback and insight. I look forward to sharing positive hobby stories and info in the near future!

I feel it would be best to speak to the dealer/auctioneer face-to-face about this issue and will have the chance in early Nov. at the International Sports Collectables Show in Toronto. There is no reason to believe that he will admit any culpability in the issue but I would like to have him answer my questions in person.

After this meeting (assuming it happens) I would be pleased to share the details with the board in a fullsome, and professional manner. I want to stress that I have no desire to sully anyone's good name.

Thanks again

My recommendation would be to get the response in written form. Otherwise, your statements are subject to a he-said-she-said questioning.

Reid

[sportscentury]

I also would not wait until November. I know that there are already some emails being sent around speculating as to whom you are referring ... best to get this resolved soon.

Just some friendly advice. Whichever approach you take, best of luck.

Reid

[CansecoPower33]

This is why I'd always encourage people to document their collections with photos. Proving they're the same jersey will be extremely difficult without the necessary evidence. I don't suppose you could track down whomever gave the jersey to the store you purchased from. It's a longshot, but I'd attempt to trace its origin.

[cjw]

Photo documenting each of my nicer items is the way I will go now...for sure. Unfortunatley, the thrift store owner that I bought this from purchases all his stuff in bulk and I am sure he won't remmeber this item. I will ask however.

[cjw]

Hi folks,

As mentioned earlier, I did attend the Toronto Show this weekend but was not able to speak to the dealer/acutioneer that bought the 1970's NFL jersey from me. I did not pursue the issue with his colleagues as it would have been useless to proceed without speaking to the buyer.

As stated before, I don't have a picture of the jersey in the condition it was when I sold it (unused and almost pristine). While I am completely convinced that the jersey was "doctored" and sold as game worn (with repairs etc)...I cannot prove this...and ultimately, it would just be a finger pointing issue. As such, I don't feel comfortable posting specifics here.

Sorry to stir things up with this thread, but I have purchased a few items from this auction house and am now concerned over it'c credibility.