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11-23-2011, 09:12 AM #61
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Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty
I actually get where you are coming from to an extent. If you collect a certain team, and the only person with access to the memorabilia from that team is known to have done something at some point that was illegal, what is a collector to do? Stop collecting? I mean, if I were in the desert dying of thirst, and I came across Bernie Madoffs lemonade stand, I'd probably have to buy a cup, much as I might not like to.
I'm not excusing anybody for wrong-doings. But I'm just trying to see both sides.
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11-23-2011, 09:34 AM #62
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11-23-2011, 09:52 AM #63
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Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty
Geezzzz. Forget the Penn State example. How about this.
You think the SEC would allow Bernie Madoff to work with funds again? They probably pulled any licenses he may have had. Seems like common sense. You don't let the guy keep ripping people off.
The analogy was its not noble thing to do something so obvious.
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11-23-2011, 09:54 AM #64
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11-23-2011, 10:06 AM #65
Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty
Nothing is really going to change. No one gets up in the morning trying to figure out a way to better the hobby. Everyone just wants to better their collection.
This entire hobby is smoke, mirrors & deception.
- equipment guys sneak items out the backdoor.
- issued jerseys are sold as gamers
- blanks are customized and sold as issued or gamers
- tags are changed
- marker is removed/added
- game used inscriptions added
- nameplates changed when scrubs and stars share the same number
- letters, letters and more letters written
- use added
Even on this board, probably half the monthly pickups are really sale items. If you get a bad item you can go public and hope for a refund, but more likely you quietly dump it with no mention of the red flags.
Can the seller convince the buyer that this is real use, that this documentation is solid, that this blurry area with the red circle is a photo match. It's always got to possibly be a piece from this big game, or this MVP season or this playoff.
Add all the info that helps, omit what hurts. When was the last time an auction stated that the jersey was photo matched to a game where the QB tossed 3 picks or the MLB star went 0-4.
Just like Hillstreet Blues...let's be careful out there.Greg
DrJStuff.com
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11-23-2011, 10:45 AM #66
Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty
What really cracks me up and fires up my urge to continue dropping turds in your collective punchbowl is how absolutely invested in this whole thing you all make yourselves out to be.
You're all in such a mob-infused lather over this whole thing and I know for a concrete fact the vast majority of you have never done a nickel's worth of business with JO Sports.
Your misplaced level of concern is quite frankly pathetic and speaks volumes. If this is that big of a deal to you here's what I would suggest:
Back away from the computer!
Reassess your life and the set of priorities you've established for yourself and most importantly the order in which they are placed.
I'm not going to continue monitoring this thread from this point forward because, honestly, my opinion is the only one that really matters to me.
And again, "balls to say that" comes into play.
Enjoy your banter and have a lovely Thanksgiving.
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11-23-2011, 11:25 AM #67
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Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty
Okay folks, this thread is obviously taking a turn back down a road that was already traveled previously. Please focus your posts on things that will be beneficial to the hobby or this thread will be locked as well.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
ChrisChristopher Cavalier
Consignment Director - Heritage Auctions
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11-23-2011, 12:02 PM #68
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11-23-2011, 02:10 PM #69
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Re: Gernay, Oldridge, Horne Plead Guilty
34swtns isn't "Guilty of Fraud".
They may be guilty of making posts similar to a school-yard bully chanting "Na na na, na, na, na" while sticking their thumbs in their ears, waiving their hands and sticking out their tongue, but they are not guilty of fraud.
It's too bad the forum doesn't know what exactly the issues were with JO to cause them to plea bargain. When Steve Jensen was arrested, there were three jerseys that were published by many media outlets that were behind the reason for the arrest so we had an idea what happened there.
With this situation, it appears no one who posts on this forum, myself included, knows the exact details of what merchandise was tampered with to make any statements about who has good items and who has questionable items.
Someone posted a jersey JO is currently selling with issues of being issued to a player as it couldn't have been game used, but that is not a crime if they correct it.
I'm going to guess that if JO is still selling memorabilia they are keeping to only stuff obtained from the teams because who would be stupid enough to sell altered/distorted/tampered items while your sentencing awaits?
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11-23-2011, 02:15 PM #70
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