Rawlings Fielding Gloves Dot Code Breaker???

[SkubeBats]

Hello,
Can anyone tell me what year this date code (EBER) is from?

[TFig27]

B= 1
L= 2
A= 3
C= 4
K= 5
H= 6
O= 7
R= 8
S= 9
E= 0

EBER = 01/08 January 2008

[RSBats]

So what would BCBC and BKBC be? Thanks Rob

[grenda12]

So what would BCBC and BKBC be? Thanks Rob

Are you sure you read the codes right?

[RSBats]

Yes the codes are correct. The BKBC was used by David Wells on 5/19/03.

[grenda12]

Yes the codes are correct. The BKBC was used by David Wells on 5/19/03.

BCBC = 1414
BKBC = 1514

That doesnt make sense to me. Especially if the BKBC was used on 5-19-03. It would be EKEA = 0503 = May 2003. I know I have mistaken the E for a B and vice versa.

[RSBats]

I am not mistaken. Those are the codes. That is why I asked. The BCBC gloves were both circa 2002-2003.

[pjbmd]

Rob,
I also game a game used glove believed to be used in either 1997 or 1999 with the code BCBC
Its a Rawlings HOH
I'm puzzled by that date code
pjb

[FENWAY]

Late 90's they were still using the dot codes

[RSBats]

The gloves with the BCBC codes were obtained from two different sources. One source was a player on the Yankees who was only there in 2003. The second was a prominent dealer with excellent contacts and reputation. Both gloves are correct for the player and year. The David Wells glove with the BKBC code was used on a specific date in 2003. Wells numbered his gloves and auctioned them off for charity after the games. This is glove #6 and was used in Fenway Park on May 19 2003. Maybe someone else has a Wells glove from that year and can check their code. These codes just don't seem to match up with the BLACKHORSE key.

[RSBats]

One of the gloves is an Andy Pettite. A quick look at Getty Images shows he used a Wilson Glove from 1996-1999, then a Rawlings (which is a style match to mine) from 2000-2003 with the Yankees. There are not too many pictures but I believe he switched to a TPX when he went to Houston and is still using one. So this style was only used by Pettite from 2000 -2003.

[eGameUsed]

When did Rawlings start stamping dates on player issued gloves?

THanks,

[FENWAY]

All high end Rawlings gloves are stamped with a code...not just the Pro Issue stuff. I believe the dot code started in the early 70's until the 80's with the Blackhorse code

[camarokids]

Does anyone know how to decipher the date code for Rawlings Gloves with the Dots?

This Glove has one dot. I have another Rawlings with two Dots.

39196

[FENWAY]

Without knowing what model that is...with the Gold Glove stamping, looks like a 2001.

[momen55]

how about KEBO1? 05/1/87 or 97?:confused:
K=5
E=0
B=1
O=7

[camarokids]

Without knowing what model that is...with the Gold Glove stamping, looks like a 2001.

It is a Terrell Wade Rawlings Pro 201-3JB..... Thanks.....


39220

39221

[CampWest]

Where are these codes located? How do you find the code?

[eGameUsed]

Looking for some expert help and opinions on the following Astros gloves.

1. Brandon Backe Game Worn Glove

The date code stamping is BCBC. What month and date does that correspond to?

42920

42921


2. Lance Berkman Game Worn Glove

There is no date code stamping? When did Rawlings start the stamping? What do I have here?

42922

42923

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

Thanks,

[AM]

The letter dating code (BB...) is the BLACKHORSE system
The Berkman glove is dated by the number of black dots located under the stitching "GOLD GLOVE SERIES"

You can check out the legend for each of these coding systems at the Glove Works Forum (another website). It is really helpful.

BTW - is that Berkman glove for sale? is it a game-used?

thanks

[maccamania]

The letter dating code (BB...) is the BLACKHORSE system
The Berkman glove is dated by the number of black dots located under the stitching "GOLD GLOVE SERIES"

You can check out the legend for each of these coding systems at the Glove Works Forum (another website). It is really helpful.

BTW - is that Berkman glove for sale? is it a game-used?

thanks

Could you please post the web address for the glove works, I am just starting to collect gloves and it would be a great resource.
thanks

[maccamania]

The letter dating code (BB...) is the BLACKHORSE system
The Berkman glove is dated by the number of black dots located under the stitching "GOLD GLOVE SERIES"

You can check out the legend for each of these coding systems at the Glove Works Forum (another website). It is really helpful.

BTW - is that Berkman glove for sale? is it a game-used?

thanks


I have a rawlings gold glove series from 1987, how do I find the date code and how would the code read ?
much appreciated

[CampWest]

BCBC should be 14/14... That makes no sense to me.

The code I've always heard was:
B = 1
L = 2
A = 3
C = 4
K = 5
H = 6
O = 7
R = 8
S = 9
E = 0

Unless this was changed at some point to B = 0, in which case BCBC would be 03/03 March 2003.

Here's another thread on the same topic. Bottom line mass confusion.
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=35952


As for the dots... go here
http://glove-works.getwebs.org/board/rawlings-date-pattern-coding-blackhorse-dot-code-etc-t1641.html

Dot System:
2 Dot- 2002
1 Dot- 2001
5 Dots- 2000
4 Dots- 1999
3 Dots- 1998

[joelsabi]

BCBC should be 14/14... That makes no sense to me.

The code I've always heard was:
B = 1
L = 2
A = 3
C = 4
K = 5
H = 6
O = 7
R = 8
S = 9
E = 0

Unless this was changed at some point to B = 0, in which case BCBC would be 03/03 March 2003.




I read somewhere too that the B=1 was incorrectly B=0 for the Gold Glove series. Does that make any more sense for the glove you have?

[maccamania]

I read somewhere too that the B=1 was incorrectly B=0 for the Gold Glove series. Does that make any more sense for the glove you have?

I have a rawlings glove that has a code of 0EA09 and in the glove it says PRO CMH-C, its also a gold glove series. Can any member explain the code?

[allstarsplus]

Could you please post the web address for the glove works, I am just starting to collect gloves and it would be a great resource.
thanks

http://glove-works.getwebs.org/board/index.html

Some very passionate collectors there.

I would love to know from AM if they have discussed where they think all those unused Rawlings gloves that pop up that seem to come direct from Rawlings to a secondary source which has been discussed on GUU before.

[joelsabi]

I have a rawlings glove that has a code of 0EA09 and in the glove it says PRO CMH-C, its also a gold glove series. Can any member explain the code?


Manufactured in March 1987 at Tennessee Tannery.

[eGameUsed]

BCBC should be 14/14... That makes no sense to me.

The code I've always heard was:
B = 1
L = 2
A = 3
C = 4
K = 5
H = 6
O = 7
R = 8
S = 9
E = 0

Unless this was changed at some point to B = 0, in which case BCBC would be 03/03 March 2003.

Here's another thread on the same topic. Bottom line mass confusion.
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=35952


As for the dots... go here
http://glove-works.getwebs.org/board/rawlings-date-pattern-coding-blackhorse-dot-code-etc-t1641.html

Dot System:
2 Dot- 2002
1 Dot- 2001
5 Dots- 2000
4 Dots- 1999
3 Dots- 1998

Thanks. So, did the BLACKHORSE code not start until 2002 or was there a mix of 4 letter code and dots.

The Berkman has a single dot, so I suspect it is a 2001. That is inline with a couple of photos I have of him with the glove.

Still unsure on the Backe. The placement and gold leaf of the BCBC is odd.

Thanks,

Chris

[CampWest]

Thanks. So, did the BLACKHORSE code not start until 2002 or was there a mix of 4 letter code and dots.

The Berkman has a single dot, so I suspect it is a 2001. That is inline with a couple of photos I have of him with the glove.

Still unsure on the Backe. The placement and gold leaf of the BCBC is odd.

Thanks,

Chris

I would think the Backe is March 2003. The blackhorse system was used before 1998 and after 2002, dots used 1998-2002. I'm not sure when it started.

[allstarsplus]

I will Post this link again of Rawlings gloves listed as "Game Issued" on eBay. There are multiple gloves of some of these players too. Still would love to know how so many of them are out there now.

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A3%257C66%253A1%257C39%253A 1&rt=nc&_nkw=rawlings%20game%20glove&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1513&_pgn=1

Here is some great reference material on Rawlings gloves from HRKing:

Since I know many of us use this old post as a reference point, including myself, I figured I would update it with much of our gained knowledge of Rawlings gear. Since the new USA models done by Bob through Eastbay kind of go by his code, I will leave them out. So here goes:

Rawlings glove codes: (Excluding stock model pro preferreds such as a PROS15TCB or a PROS17ICB etc.)
This is from my first hand knowledge: Pretty much every Rawlings model can be made 1/4" larger or smaller than its book size.

Anything with a 217-____ is usually an 11" glove
Anything with an 88-____ is usually an 11.25" glove (Very narrow with the double heel lace)
Anything with a 200-____ is usually an 11.5" glove
Anything with a 201-____ is usually an 11.75" glove
Anything with a 12-____ is usually a 12" glove (Basically replaced the old PRO1000)
Anything with a 1000-____ is usually a 12.25" glove (Used to be well known 12" model)
Anything with a 504-_____ is usually a 12.5" glove
Anything with a 301-_____ is usually a 12.75" glove (not as deep/ wide as a PRO302)
Anything with a 302-_____ is usually a 12.75" glove
Anything with a 303-_____ is usually a 12.75" glove (more narrow and long compared to a PRO302)

Personalized Glove Codes:
PRONP- Neifi Perez Model. NP2- 11.25 NP3- 11.25 (modified conventional back), NP4- 11.5, NP5 11.75 NP12 12"
PROAK- Adam Kennedy Model From 11 to 11.25 to 11.5
PRODJ- Jeter Model. Mostly all 11.5" Wide and flat pocket. Somewhere between a PRO200 and NP4
PRORV23/ AR13- Usually 12 1/4" with deep bowl pocket and shape. Has hinged thick single post.
PROTROY25- Troy Glaus gamer- Typically runs 12" with a narrow and flat pocket shape. Has thicker single post web.
PROTROY11- Small pattern Glaus glove. Usually 11- 11 1/2 with I-Web.

Web codes (Numbers only, no TC for mod trap or IC for I web conventional back ect):
EG: 200-1 Single post web
1- Single Post Web (Very narrow; About two laces shorter across the top of the web compared to others)
2- I-Web
3- Basket Web
4- Modified Trapeze
5- Single Post Double Bar (Sizemore/ Abreu web)
6- H-Web
7- (Can't remember)
8- Solid One Piece
9- Solid Two Piece
10- (Can't remember)
11- Basket Connector
12- Rawlings version of the Dual Hinge

Color Codes:
B- Black
N- Navy
R- Royal
P- Primo/ Burgundy colored HOH (Not Horween leather to our knowledge)
T- Tan
C- Chocolate Brown
Any special one off colors or awkward combos will often be denoted by an "SO" for special order or just left blank at the end unless there is a special leather used. For example the Red Pedro Martinez model. PRO200-4J. Its Red Japan HOH. The Brown Pro Preferred's come marked as "SO" from my experience. Also, plain tan gloves will come as a PROXXX-X.

Leather Codes:
Anything with a "K" is pro preferred leather. PRO200-6K
Anything with a "J" is Japanese HOH PRO200-6JB (Black Japan HOH)
Anything with a "TL" is Oil treated Tan PRO200-4TL
Anything with an "M" has a mesh back PRO201-3JBM
Anything with a "DC" has the dual core tech PRO502-3DC

Blackhorse dating system. Works for Pre 1998 and Current 4 letter dating system.
B1
L2
A3
C4
K5
H6
O7
R8
S9
E0

BEER=1008 or October 2008
KBB= 5/11 or November 1995

Dot System:
2 Dot- 2002
1 Dot- 2001
5 Dots- 2000
4 Dots- 1999
3 Dots- 1998

Well known Special Make Up Retailers:

Ballgloves.com- Sells many older models in the hard to find via retail all Tan Dry HOH leather as well as special gray/ navy PRO200 models.

Baseball Express: Special Russet colored Pro Preferreds as well as the original split black/ camel "JA" series.

Chicks Sporting goods- Well known for carrying gloves like the PROAK and PROTROY11 models as well as some split Camel/ Black Pro Preferreds like the PRO303-6JAKBPRO. Also has been known to carry PRO200-4K's and some other PRO issue style gloves, if not directly from minor league camps.

[maccamania]

Manufactured in March 1987 at Tennessee Tannery.


Joel, thank you kindly for that info, how did you arrive at that info, much appreciated :D

[eGameUsed]

Thanks everyone for the help on the Berkman Astros glove. I was worried I had something strange! Now I know it is a early career piece.

Thanks,

[joelsabi]

Thanks everyone for the help on the Berkman Astros glove. I was worried I had something strange! Now I know it is a early career piece.

Thanks,

can you give us a recap of what you specifically discovered about your Berkman glove.

[eGameUsed]

Yeah, sure. I only recently started to acquire game used gloves in the last 5-6 years. I was familiar with the BLACKHORSE system of dating Rawlings gloves. I was unaware of the dot system used in the late 1990s and early 2000s. The Berkman glove in question has a single dot, dating it to 2001. I was surprised to not find the BLACKHORSE on it, which prompted the question. Hope this makes sense.

Thanks,

[camarokids]

The 2002 Joe Kennedy I just received today is the second Rawlings glove I have that has the date stamped on the inside of the wrist strap....The other is a 2002 Steve Kent.... I have 2001 Damian Rolls with no date stamped....

Ball Park Heroes has a Cory Lidle from 2001 that is date stamped inside.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220686436142&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

43473

43474

43475

[camarokids]

Well I have something that may baffle the Glove experts.

My Terrell Wade glove that I thought was a 2001 due to only one dot on the pinky.

It is actually a 2002 glove.

I looked inside and see that it is stamped 03-02....

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43477

43478

[camarokids]

Forgot to mention.

I now i have three gloves that are date stamped inside by the wrist strap....

I will look for others....

[camarokids]

Well I have something that may baffle the Glove experts.

My Terrell Wade glove that I thought was a 2001 due to only one dot on the pinky.

It is actually a 2002 glove.

I looked inside and see that it is stamped 03-02....



My bad I just looked again and it is a 2001, 03-01

[camarokids]

bump

[CampWest]

I thought I had a grip on this whole thing, but I purchased a David Segui mitt, with 1 Dot. So, 2001, correct? Well, somehow I have the glove photomatched to 1998.

Wes is confused.:confused:


BCBC should be 14/14... That makes no sense to me.

The code I've always heard was:
B = 1
L = 2
A = 3
C = 4
K = 5
H = 6
O = 7
R = 8
S = 9
E = 0

Unless this was changed at some point to B = 0, in which case BCBC would be 03/03 March 2003.

Here's another thread on the same topic. Bottom line mass confusion.
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=35952


As for the dots... go here
http://glove-works.getwebs.org/board/rawlings-date-pattern-coding-blackhorse-dot-code-etc-t1641.html

Dot System:
2 Dot- 2002
1 Dot- 2001
5 Dots- 2000
4 Dots- 1999
3 Dots- 1998

[camarokids]

I thought I had a grip on this whole thing, but I purchased a David Segui mitt, with 1 Dot. So, 2001, correct? Well, somehow I have the glove photomatched to 1998.

Wes is confused.:confused:

Are you sure it is a photomatch or just a style match? Gloves are pretty hard to match. Look inside the wrist strap by the pinky for a date code....

[CampWest]

Are you sure it is a photomatch or just a style match? Gloves are pretty hard to match. Look inside the wrist strap by the pinky for a date code....


yep, pretty sure... 98% confidence - everything lines up and nothing on the photos that doesn't match my glove, but lacking the resolution to definitively call it. Additionally, glove has #21 written on it and is signed with a 21 inscription, the last year Segui wore #21 was 1999. This glove actually may have been manufactured in winter 1996 and used 1997-98, which would correspond to a 1-Dot in the 5-Dot system. 1998 was known to be 3, then 1997 could be 2, and 1996 could be 1. I heard that some factories started using the 5-Dot code in 1995, 5 Dots for 1995 being the origin of the system.

[jshortt]

Title states it all. I have a Norm Charlton Rawlings fielder's glove with "Stormin'" stitched into it, and was trying to figure out if there was any way to put a date on it. I would appreciate any info you could give me!

Thanks,
J

[AM]

This may help.

http://glove-works.getwebs.org/rawlings-date-pattern-coding-blackhorse-dot-code-t1641.html

But I have this suspicion that some of the pro issued gloves to players lack a date code imprint, or sometimes don't follow the standard formula.

[CampWest]

there should be either a letter code or dots. Post pics and we can probably figure it out.

[camarokids]

Title states it all. I have a Norm Charlton Rawlings fielder's glove with "Stormin'" stitched into it, and was trying to figure out if there was any way to put a date on it. I would appreciate any info you could give me!

Thanks,
J

If this is the same glove that was won on ebay last year? Then it is a 1999. I even talked to a person who asked the seller a question about the glove. In the bidders question he put his phone number. The seller posted the question along with his phone number to the auction listing so I called him.

There should be a four letter date code on the outside pinky. Please post what it is?

If this is the same and is a 1999? I would be interested in buying the glove.

[jshortt]

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the info. That is a LOT to take in, haha. Looks like it is a '99. There are 4 gold dots on the pinky, under "Gold Glove Series."

I did win the glove on Ebay several months ago, just can't remember when. Sorry, the glove isn't for sale. I'm meeting Norm this weekend, and was just curious if there was a way to date it 100% without asking him. Trying to figure out an inscription, and if it was from the early 90's Reds glory days.

Thanks,
J