primer on Wilson tagging - 60s to 90s

[kingjammy24]

for some reason, it seems my Wilson tagging primer has disappeared.
for those who've asked, here it is again. it only applies to MLB game jerseys tagged in the tail.



rudy.

[34swtns]

Thanks Rudy. Your primer has been invaluable to me at times. Just in case anybody was wondering, here's the original link:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...=wilson+primer

[2dales1number3]

So is this tagging only on game jerseys or are they the same tags on a store model? Whats the odds of a store model being made for semistars from the 80s? Is there any way to tell which players had store models made of them? Sorry if this has come up before but I am new. I am trying to figure out the odds of my favorite players jerseys being fake. They are Dale Murphy, Jim Rice, Carlton Fisk, Bob Horner, George Foster, Al OLiver, etc.

[kingjammy24]

this primer only applies to MLB game jerseys tagged in the body, (not bp jerseys, not minor league jerseys, not retail jerseys, nor jerseys tagged in the collar). the reason it doesn't apply to those jerseys is simply because i never considered or looked at them when i made the primer. it might be accurate for those jerseys but i have no way of knowing. if i had to guess, i'd say there should be some correlation between the tagging on wilson pro jerseys and wilson retail jerseys. (both earlier rawlings and russell pro tags bore a correlation with their retail tags. the main difference between the two is simply in the way they were sewn and, sometimes, the location).

i'm unsure of what wilson was doing in terms of star player, retail jerseys in the 80s. however, i think the odds of finding wilson, store model, star player jerseys from the 80s aren't great.

in terms of the specific players you mentioned as your favorites; here's a short breakdown:
fisk played for the whitesox during the 80s. during this time period they were supplied by sandknit and rawlings.
jim rice played for the redsox during the 80s. during this time period they were supplied by wilson.
horner and murphy played for the braves in 80s and during that time they were supplied by wilson.

the odds of those players being faked is more likely to come from a doctored pro jersey than a retail jersey. retail jerseys aren't overly difficult to differentiate from pro gamers. they'll often be of a different material, have different buttons, lack any sort of team/player tagging and customizations, etc. if someone's going to fake an early fisk, rice, or murphy they'll most likely do it using a pro jersey.

rudy.

[stkmtimo]

Hi Rudy,
I have a Bob Tewksbury game worn Yankees home jersey from 1987 made by Wilson. The tagging for the jersey is just like the tagging shown in your picture (size on the bottom, registered sign right next to the "N" in Wilson). I see that on eBay Grey Flannel is offering a Willie Randolph game worn Yankees jersey from 1987 as well:
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/245... agenameZWDVW

On this jersey the tagging features the size of the jersey on the bottom of the Wilson tag. Was this common with Wilson jerseys then?

Thanks,
Tim

[kingjammy24]

tim,

to be honest that's the first time i've ever seen that style of wilson tag with the size on the bottom instead of on the right side. maybe it's possible to interpret my personal experience as evidence that the tag being on the bottom was not common.

is your tewksbury size tag on the bottom or on the right?

rudy.

[stkmtimo]

Originally Posted by kingjammy24

tim,

to be honest that's the first time i've ever seen that style of wilson tag with the size on the bottom instead of on the right side. maybe it's possible to interpret my personal experience as evidence that the tag being on the bottom was not common.

is your tewksbury size tag on the bottom or on the right?

rudy.

Rudy,
The Tewksbury size tag for me is on the right, just like the photos you provided. I wonder why the Randolph is that way in GFC auction? That's the first 1987 Wilson jersey with a size tag on the bottom I've ever seen, too.

Tim

[Samets]

I know Rudy wrote that this is only for MLB jerseys but is it pretty consistent for NFL jerseys as well? Is there an NFL Wilson primer out there?

[sox83cubs84]

Most (not all) I've seen on Wilson NFL jerseys is in line with the same era's MLB gamers. The one exception is the Prestige Tag that first saw use in MLB uniforms in 1986. I haven't seen that tag on any NFL gamers prior to 1990-91. A small paper tag slightly similar to the ones used in 1987-91 Blue Jays jersey was the norm for the late 1980s in the NFL.

Dave Miedema

[Samets]

OK. Thanks!