Brett Favre game used on eBay

[kneerat]

Re: Brett Favre game used on eBay

Wow... that's awesome... Gordon is a true class act.

Always has been helpful with collectors.

Go Pack!

[jonschuette]

Re: Brett Favre game used on eBay

Sorry for resurrecting this thread again, but I have some information to add.

Red Batty returned my call and was very helpful. Thanks Kneerat.

I actually sent my jersey to him in Green Bay and he was able to personally verify its authenticity. Not only did he look at it but also had the Green Bay Packers tailoring/seamstress department verify it.

Jon Schuette

Always looking for Will Clark game used items and am still in the hunt for that elusive Brett Favre worn red practice jersey

[lund6771]

Re: Brett Favre game used on eBay

i find it strange that Brett signed a jersey this way and it did not come with a picture and a letter...if it did come with these items, I would agree with you 100%...that something is wrong at the source...

So Dave, are you accusing Brett Favre of trimming the tail of a pro-cut, adding elastic, signing it as a game used shirt, but yet not provide a letter or a picture...are you serious that someone should actually come to Brett Favre and ask him these questions for the sole reason beacause YOU believe some inscriptions match?....

When one looks at the track record of Brett Favre versus AMI, I sure as hell know where I would start my investigation

You still never aswered the question if you feel that the buyer of the AMI shirt should receive a refund?...he never bought the shirt from Brett, he bought from AMI and it's an obvious fake...so why won't you answer this question?

Chris or Eric...I think that it might be time to end this thread because my head is starting to hurt from beating it against the wall...I am suprised that a lot of other readers out there haven't jumped in this one, but I'm sure you're having a great laugh from the sidelines watching this stupidity

[CollectGU]

Re: Brett Favre game used on eBay

Pete,

I think the most obvious place to start is where it originated as a supposed gamer - with Favre signing it as game used..Why not research it as I suggested and get back to us with the results...Mybe he has a plausible reason? Let us know what you find out...

Regards,
Dave

[lund6771]

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Dave...since I'm not directly involved, I won't be starting anywhere...

I think the place to start would be that AMI return the shirt to their consigner and refund the buyer the money...why? because THE SHIRT IS FAKE...from that point on, the consignor can start figuring out who took this pro-cut jersey, trimmed the tail, and added elastic to it...and then somewhere up the line Bret signed the pro-cut..there's your trail...It doesn't matter where it started, but somewhere in between, it went from being a pro-cut that was turned into a gamer...

...Dave, what else do you need, the shirt is FAKE...can't you come to that realization?

[CollectGU]

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Pete,

You stated that there is no way in hell that Favre signed the jersey. I gave you covincing evidence that he did sign the jersey and it is his handwriting. So, now you can ask Brett Favre through his website or his company why he signed a pro-cut as game used when it is not, and maybe you can get back to us with an answer. Maybe there is a plausible explanation? I'm sure you haven't asked him or his representatives, but since it originated with Brett Favre that is where I would start....

That's fine Dave...Since you are obviously an autograph expert, I and everyone else out there will have to take your word for it...

what is your opinion of the jersey itself?...do you believe that this was worn in a game?...do you feel that AMI should refund the purchaser of this shirt?

So I understand correctly...If you were the seller of this jersey, and were provided all of the photos and evidence clearly showing that this shirt was a pro-cut...you would not offer the buyer a refund because, in your opinion, the "full game used" inscription appears to match some real ones?...Get Real

[lund6771]

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That's fine Dave...Since you are obviously an autograph expert, I and everyone else out there will have to take your word for it...

You completely disregard all of the red flags on this jersey, with a monumental conclusion that the autograph looks similar to you as it does on some others...maybe that's why so many true collectors come and go through this hobby because they run into situations like this and have to deal with people that are oblivious to reality...

you keep arguing about the inscription and mention nothing about the jersey...what is your opinion of the jersey itself?...do you believe that this was worn in a game?...do you feel that AMI should refund the purchaser of this shirt?

So I understand correctly...If you were the seller of this jersey, and were provided all of the photos and evidence clearly showing that this shirt was a pro-cut...you would not offer the buyer a refund because, in your opinion, the "full game used" inscription appears to match some real ones?...Get Real

[CollectGU]

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Pete,

So far you have been shown 3 examples of his hadwriting that match up EXACTLY to the AMI shirt. The fact that you refuse to admit that proves my point as well. Maybe you should start with Favre's company first and asked why he signed the jersey like this? I am also done with this thread as I think I've proven my point as well...

From my understanding...when Favre does his signings all the pro-cuts, balls, helmets, & pics are all laid out on the tables and then it's an assembly line process...

The game used items are mailed to Rick after games...thus his signings and game used items are completely isolated from one another...so there is no chance that Bret has 200 pro-cuts sitting in front of him, and all of a sudden he decides that he's going to sign one as game used?...Without taking a picture and writing a letter?...Not Likely

As long as it's obvious that this jersey is a pro-cut, I'll address the incsription...

For a second time I am not and do not claim to be an autograph expert...I could go onto e-bay and see 1,000 michael jordan autographs and they all look the same to me...does that mean that they are all real if they look like the Upperdeck ones?...of course not...but there are some damn good forgers out there who, for nominal money and effort, can simply add game used to a shirt to try and pass it off that way...which is what likely happenned here....

Again, I can't see why anyone with 1% of a brain would actually send a jersey to PSA if they bought a jersey with a Favre hologram...That's why people spend the extra $ buying from Upperdeck and Rick Radtke, because they KNOW that it is real...is PSA deemed more reliable then Upperdeck or Rick's signings?...in this case I think the forger, by sending it to PSA, thought it would help bolster his case for authenticity...

I have seen once where a jersey was signed incorrectly, meaning that it was signed as being worn versus one team when it was actually worn against another..that was obviously an honest mistake on Bret's part...no big deal....

it still had the letter and the pics...this is how Rick set it up with both Bret and Mike Vick...This gives the collector 100% piece of mind that they are buying the real thing

I'm done beating a dead horse on this thread...Bottom line, a bad jersey was sold and, as usual, I'm sure restitution will not be made

[lund6771]

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From my understanding...when Favre does his signings all the pro-cuts, balls, helmets, & pics are all laid out on the tables and then it's an assembly line process...

The game used items are mailed to Rick after games...thus his signings and game used items are completely isolated from one another...so there is no chance that Bret has 200 pro-cuts sitting in front of him, and all of a sudden he decides that he's going to sign one as game used?...Without taking a picture and writing a letter?...Not Likely

As long as it's obvious that this jersey is a pro-cut, I'll address the incsription...

For a second time I am not and do not claim to be an autograph expert...I could go onto e-bay and see 1,000 michael jordan autographs and they all look the same to me...does that mean that they are all real if they look like the Upperdeck ones?...of course not...but there are some damn good forgers out there who, for nominal money and effort, can simply add game used to a shirt to try and pass it off that way...which is what likely happenned here....

Again, I can't see why anyone with 1% of a brain would actually send a jersey to PSA if they bought a jersey with a Favre hologram...That's why people spend the extra $ buying from Upperdeck and Rick Radtke, because they KNOW that it is real...is PSA deemed more reliable then Upperdeck or Rick's signings?...in this case I think the forger, by sending it to PSA, thought it would help bolster his case for authenticity...

I have seen once where a jersey was signed incorrectly, meaning that it was signed as being worn versus one team when it was actually worn against another..that was obviously an honest mistake on Bret's part...no big deal....

it still had the letter and the pics...this is how Rick set it up with both Bret and Mike Vick...This gives the collector 100% piece of mind that they are buying the real thing

I'm done beating a dead horse on this thread...Bottom line, a bad jersey was sold and, as usual, I'm sure restitution will not be made

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Brett Favre game used on eBay

One quick note here. I think this thread has educational value and that is great for collectors. However, I have noticed comments in a couple of posts in this thread that appear to be a bit pointed and more on a personal level. I am going to ask that we please stay focused on the discussion of the jerseys and what the community can learn from an analysis of them.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

Sincerely,
Chris

[mvandor]

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then maybe he has incorrectly labeled a jersey as game used

I think we need to accept the possibility that some fake producers are so good that even the players don't catch them all. Do you really think Favre ever paid attention to the logo location on his sleeves? Figure he has other things to concentrate on. Also possibility someone working for him fed him a wrong item purposely or on accident when he was doing his signing at what appears to be the garage of his or someone else's home. Imperfect science to be sure.

[jonschuette]

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Howard,

I asked him about the differences between his description of the item and the pictures that were included not about the providence. I think since there was a letter included from Lou stating it was game used, there was no question about it authenticity in the buyers eyes hence that is why they listed on eBay as game used. I guess I could have pointed out the location of the logo on the sleeve, but I didn't realize that

discrepancy until after I contacted the forum.

I think this is a prefect case of caveat emptor and using the GUU as a resource.

Jon Schuette
Always looking for Will Clark game used items and am still in the hunt for that elusive Brett Favre worn red practice jersey

[CollectGU]

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Pete,

I wasn't backing anybody. I don't care what auction house sold it, the inscription is certainly part of the issue! Don't change it! If it is Favre's handwriting then maybe he has incorrectly labeled a jersey as game used, but please answer the original question - look at the handwriting examples and answer if you agree if he wrote it? Yes or No? Why or how he incorrectly labeled this jersey as game used is another issue....

Dave

Dave...

please don't take my comment about your love for AMI as insultive...it's frustrating to see you consistantly back these guys when there have been numerous issues, not only with me but with others, discussed about them on this site....

I will not comment on whether an inscription matches...by no means do I consider myself an autograph expert...And the insription is not the issue..so don't try to make it one....the issue is that another fake Favre jersey was sold with a letter from Lampson..where was the research?...Granted I, personally, would not research a jersey as much if it came with the letter and the pic...but this shirt had no letter and no pic!!!..surely an auhenticator of Lampsons standards would know that a game used Favre jersey should come with a letter from Bret and a pic of him with the shirt...but this one only came with the postcard guarenteeing an autograph

ok..besides the fact the logos are in the wrong location, no letter, and no pic....do you need another red flag?...how about this one....why would someone feel the need to send it to PSA when it already comes with a Favre holomgram?....

I know that Rick reads here...If I remember correctly, I think that you keep a log of the S#'s on a game used jersey...is it possible that you might be ale to track this hologram to see if it was logged as such?...

It would be great if you could chime in on this one and make Dave's smoke screens blow away

[hblakewolf]

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Thank you very much Guy. I think Joel is very responsive and I wish I had recognized the fact that he wasn't contacted earlier.

Sincerely,
Chris

Chris-
With the various issues about the authenticity of this particular Favre jersey, can you or another GUU reader update us on what type of insight and responses ebay seller Joel Alpert provided to the questions sent directly to him?

Thanks.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[lund6771]

Re: Brett Favre game used on eBay

sorry for the multiple posts, I'm some what illiterate when it comes to copying pics...


sep 29 vs carolina sept 8 vs falcons aug 30 vs titans


Look at the logo on the sleeves from each game...This case is not closed unless the buyer of the jersey in the 7/19/07 auction gets a refund