2001 Barry Bonds jersey

[Phil316]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

Graded A5 by Mears.

[Phil316]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

And wrong authentication tag from bonds

good call Ken

[KGoldin]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

And wrong authentication tag from bonds

[Phil316]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

If you follow this thread you will see that is it missing the size tag and extra length tags as should be on all Bonds jersey's from 2001.

[GoCrazyFolks76]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

I'm not all that familiar with Giants jerseys - what features are you seeing to say it's not authentic?

Thanks,

Mark

[Phil316]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

Another un-authentic Barry Bonds hitting ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Barry-Bonds-Game-Used-Jersey-San-Francisco-Giants-Autographed-Auto-Signed-MLB-/191942929059?hash=item2cb0b0aaa3:g:Ub0AAOSwZVlXqypW

[sportsnbikes]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

Is the guy with the Bonds 715 bat game used and does he own that bat?

If so that's pretty dang sweet!

[Phil316]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

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[gameused]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

Have you guys seen Barry Bonds lately? Here he is, off the "juice" posing with his 715th HR bat!

[Bondsgloves]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

arenas 01 this is an example of a gamer from 2000 thats authentic. Its the 2001 that are all Bad.



The 2001 Jerseys are all fakes. Hoskins had Barry sign them and the home run jerseys are a joke. The authentic Bonds 2001 Jerseys must have the extra tags, the right size, and the Bonds authenticated patch, end of story. The Jerseys that are being sold as Game Used 2001 Jersey are simply store bought authentic jerseys and the Bonds authenticated patch was added. LIke I said I have never seen photos of Barry wearing any of these Jerseys without the extra tagging. If you look at the photos I posted with the jerseys untucked they aren't even close to these fakes. Its not a coincindence that all the photo's of 2001 Bonds untucked photos don't match up.
This was all about money and Barry and his agent made a killing on these Jerseys. Barry claims to have all his own 2001 Home Jerseys, why have we seen dozens auctioned or for sale? As a Bonds collector I have studied these jerseys and have seen the real gamers before in his locker. I will post photos of the only real 2001 I have ever seen for sale.

Fellow forum member Bondsfan is absolutely right, we both have compiled large Bonds collections and have discussed this before and are not surprised. We have known this was going on for quite some time!

[kingjammy24]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

What about the examples signed and noted with homer run # date. If the handwriting (including notation) is shown to be by Barry Bonds' hand, it would be hard for him to escape all culpability for that item (whether the item is genuine or fake).

agreed. you'd think mears would still objectively evaluate a shirt regardless of the provenance and any red flags would still be taken into consideration. look at all of those favre shirts with favre certs/holograms/matching photos. do you take an athlete at their word or do you require that a jersey, regardless of provenance, stand on its own?
mears has publically stated that provenance isn't a guarantee of an A10. the implication being that the shirt still has to stand on its own. how do these tagless bonds shirts stand on their own?

a 2001 sf giants gamer, sold by GUU, with team LOA. size tag is present:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/auction/lot.php?id=307

rudy.

[David]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

What about the examples signed and noted with homer run # date. If the handwriting (including notation) is shown to be by Barry Bonds' hand, it would be hard for him to escape all culpability for that item (whether the item is genuine or fake).

[kingjammy24]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

i imagine mears could possibly accept hoskins' side on it and say bonds was lying about selling this stuff in order to hide memorabilia revenue from the IRS, etc.
aside from the whole provenance mess, i just don't see how numerous jerseys lacking the proper tagging get A10s. secondly, if "bondsgloves" is correct and these jerseys don't even measure out to the size that bonds was taking in 2001, a 50 i believe, then how does that garner an A10? did mears measure these things? i assume they must've given that they don't even have size tags. these shirts have numerous red flags and yet an A10 is not only supposed to be a jersey with no red flags, but a jersey that's flawless. a shirt missing the proper tags is flawless? of course, the curious side of me wouldn't mind knowing if troy/dave had any investment in these things.

rudy.

[whatupyos]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

Thats why you've got to love this forum. Protects the little guys and informs them of red flags. Some of us have way more knowledge than others. I'm still learning day in and day out, but there are others on here, such as Rudy who knows tons more than I could ever dream of. I hope to one day reach that area of memorabilia knowledge but I'm willing to bet there are new members here who, like I was in the beginning are a little wet behind the ears and don't know as much. The Mears question on authenticating scares me. If all this information that Rudy posted is readily available to any and all collectors which I assume it is....then how can someone grade a shirt an A10 with the questions surrounding the authenticity of some of Bonds memorabilia. I mean, it seems even Bonds himself questions this stuff, but yet Mears rates an A10.

[kingjammy24]

Re: 2001 Barry Bonds jersey

i think the main question for me isn't where this stuff came from but rather how mears could grade it all A10. even if you completely ignore all of the hoskins/bonds noise and also ignore the lack of customization tags, all of these things are still missing basic size tags! look, here's a 2001 jason schmidt jersey:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=30400

surprise surprise it comes with a size tag. i'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of 2001 giants common player gamers had size tags. a size tag would be expected on most 2001 russell shirts. yet none of these have size tags and yet they all got an A10. perfect shirts! perfect shirts missing size and customization tags. unbelievable. how many of those certs have bushing's signature on them? how many of these shirts have been bought back by mears?

i understanding that the kinunen/bushing "for sale" section on mears is somehow a separate, non-mears, kinunen/bushing venture. the president of mears privately buying items and having them evaulated by his own firm (with his own signature on the LOAs) and then selling them on his firms website yet it's somehow all separate. but not. i also understand that's where troy..or mears..or whatever..makes most of his..or their money. but i'm guessing that's troy's money not mears' money. so..i'm hoping that whatever mears makes from authenticating is enough to cover buybacks of this magnitude. anyway, good thing dave grob has vowed to not read the forum. i'm sure it will behoove the clients of one of the largest authentication firms and "research centers" for one of their main figureheads not to read a forum where so much information is pumped out constantly. sort of like a stockbroker refusing to read the wall street journal.

rudy.