Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

[joelsabi]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

There were two HR #16 bats from 2002 being auctioned in early 2004. One was a LVS from Mastronet and the other was a Rawlings being auctioned by Vintage Authentics. Below is the link to the old post on the former GUF, the auction links are no longer viewable.

Also, ASI had a bunch of Arod HR inscripted Old Hickory bats from 2004, I inquired about these bats and had some photos sent to me with prices. A week later a rep from ASI told me that Arod wrote the wrong insciptions and dates on the bat and they would have to meet with him to have them resigned.

Personally I would never invest in one his HR bats without a 100% photo match. Too many errors throughout the years with the people that handle his HR items.

Bobby
http://www.network54.com/Forum/37997...16+bat+a+fake-

Bobby,

This example was disturbing since you have two inscriptions for the same homerun. The unfortunant thing is that photos are available for the Rawlings bat unless someone here was able to download it to there computer. I believe I asked you for a copy of the photo awhile back but you said you didnt have it. And I guess the Rawlings bat has never been resold since 2004. I would like to see if the inscription on the Rawlings bat was in ARod's own writing. If anyone has the photo please post it.

[gameused]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

Yes thats the bat, I cant remember the exact details of it. But I am sure that Bobby does know about it. Hopefully he will remember.

There were two HR #16 bats from 2002 being auctioned in early 2004. One was a LVS from Mastronet and the other was a Rawlings being auctioned by Vintage Authentics. Below is the link to the old post on the former GUF, the auction links are no longer viewable.

Also, ASI had a bunch of Arod HR inscripted Old Hickory bats from 2004, I inquired about these bats and had some photos sent to me with prices. A week later a rep from ASI told me that Arod wrote the wrong insciptions and dates on the bat and they would have to meet with him to have them resigned.

Personally I would never invest in one his HR bats without a 100% photo match. Too many errors throughout the years with the people that handle his HR items.

Bobby
http://www.network54.com/Forum/37997...16+bat+a+fake-

[joelsabi]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

Yes thats the bat, I cant remember the exact details of it. But I am sure that Bobby does know about it. Hopefully he will remember.

two bats with same inscription 2002 HR #16

one from ASI (Rawlings) and another CoasttoCoast (LVS). I go along with Bobby's conclusion. Trust the source.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/379976/message/1107935248/ASI-Alex+Rodriguez+2002+HR+%2316+bat+a+fake-

[Rboitano]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

Yes thats the bat, I cant remember the exact details of it. But I am sure that Bobby does know about it. Hopefully he will remember.

[joelsabi]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

If you can learn anything from this, be very careful when buying Arod inscribed items. This is the third HR bat that I know of that is not what it is says it is. Their is a 2002 HR 16 bat that if I remember correctly that is questionable. I think at one time there were two completely different HR 16 2002 bats floating around. I know Bobby (gameused) on here knows about it as well. Personally I would never buy an Arod HR bat, I would settle for a nice signed one.

you talking about this one? i think it just sold recently.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Alex-Rodriguez-Game-Used-HR-16-Signed-Bat-WOW-YANKS_W0QQitemZ120475973964QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0ced794c

[joelsabi]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

Joel,

Let's break it down:

And my last thought is.....since Alex is signing it, he's responsible. No excuses.

What we know is

1) This is not a hr bat.
2) That the seller did not give full endorsement that this is a homerun bat. Ebay descriptions run their coarse after 3-5 weeks and then the ebay record is lost.
3) Eventually this bat will hit the market again claiming to be a HR bat regardless of what the COA says. I would like to know what it says now because I know COA can mysteriously disappear.

I agree ARod needs to be more careful when he signs and ultimately is responsible for what and who is out there representing him in the hobby.

[Rboitano]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

If you can learn anything from this, be very careful when buying Arod inscribed items. This is the third HR bat that I know of that is not what it is says it is. Their is a 2002 HR 16 bat that if I remember correctly that is questionable. I think at one time there were two completely different HR 16 2002 bats floating around. I know Bobby (gameused) on here knows about it as well. Personally I would never buy an Arod HR bat, I would settle for a nice signed one.

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

Steve,

Let me reiterate. We dont know how this bat was represented when it was brought to ARod to sign. In the past, it seems that ARod will sign an inscription according to how the marketing associates claim what the item is because he trusts his handlers will represent him in a positive light. When ARod has been given negative publicity on his memorabilia, the offending marketer lost his future business like what happen to A-Rod Authenticated when they tried to sell limited 3HR-10RBIs baseballs right after the game.

What was there for ARod to question once he was pointed out that there is a MLB sticker and told it was a hr bat. If the marketing associate says it was a hr bat, then he inscribed it accordingly.

It would be disturbing if there was another bat with the same inscription (ie. the real hr bat) out there. Then I would come to the same conclusion as you.

If ARod was not aware that the bat brought to him to sign as a hr bat was the wrong bat that is different than knowingly signing an hr bat inscription on a non hr bat. To me at least, it just does not make sense that he would sign this specific inscription otherwise.

Also we don't know how the COA reads.

So i think we cannot come to a final conclusion until we know these facts.


Your thoughts?

Joel

for the record I own only 1 hr bat and 1 hr baseball.

Joel,

Let's break it down:

Description

HOMERUN OFF THE NEW YORK METS!

MLB HOLO, FULL LETTER!

You are bidding on a Game Used bat Hand Signed by ALEX RODRIGUEZ.


This bat was used 6/13/09, the day AROD hit is 562 career homerun!

Alex personally signed this bat in silver and inscribed it "GAME USED 6/13/09 CAREER #562 VS. METS OFF NIEVE".


As you can see from the photos this bat shows great game USE AND IS POUNDED!

THIS BAT IS UNCRACKED!

This item will come with a Full Letter of Authenticity personally signed by Alex Rodriguez.

The following information is from MLB.com
Hologram number LH198820 was located in the MLB Authentication Database under GAME-USED BAT.
Session Product Description:

Session Name: NYM AT NYY
Session Date: June 13, 2009
Autographer:
Authenticator: AUTHENTICATORS, INC.
Additional Information: ALEX RODRIGUEZ

Joel,

Referring to the BLUE highlighted wording taken directly from the auction...one deosn't even need to read between the lines to understand this bat was only used during that game....NOWHERE does it claim to be the bat that hit the home run #562.....It's just a game-used bat from the game Alex hit the #562 home run.

Further support of that fact can be read by the MLB hologram description (see the highlighted red verbage). I underlined the description. "Game Used Bat." Not "Game used Home Run Bat."

But over the years, everyone who collects game used stuff has seen TONS of A-Rod stuff, and he has customarilly only inscribed a bat with the home run # if it was THE bat used to hit that home run. Now, they are throwing a curve at collectors by inscribing the bat with a very similar mix of the lesser collected "Game Used" with the more popular "Home Run #XXX".....but the catch is, they have combined the two, and dropped the "Home Run" and inserted "Game Used" in place of it. Very tricky, very confusing, and IMO, very deceiptful.

Whomever is responsible for making this cute little "dollar raiser" decision is doing an injustice to the collecting community.

And my last thought is.....since Alex is signing it, he's responsible. No excuses.

[joelsabi]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

So, even though this bat may have been used in the game he hit home run #562, it is definately NOT the bat used to hit the home run. That missing description (to someone on their toes) is not shown in the MLB database, so it's easy to conclude that is the fact. But again, it appears it was not marketed or represented as being the home run bat. But it is notated in a deceiptfully close manner, enough to lead someone of lesser knowledge and experience with A-Rod inscripted bats that it may appear like it.....so this sucks for whoever won it because based on the price it went for ($3,050.00) I'm sure they thought it was.

This is the first bat I have ever seen inscripted this way, where the actual home run # is listed along with a "game used" inscription when they are not one in the same. I have seen this on some "game used" baseballs, inscribed that they were "game used" in the game a certain home run was hit, but those are relatively easilly discernable. So I guess this is not too surprising. A-Rod is now officially the "memorabilia whore" in the industry.

Steve,

Let me reiterate. We dont know how this bat was represented when it was brought to ARod to sign. In the past, it seems that ARod will sign an inscription according to how the marketing associates claim what the item is because he trusts his handlers will represent him in a positive light. When ARod has been given negative publicity on his memorabilia, the offending marketer lost his future business like what happen to A-Rod Authenticated when they tried to sell limited 3HR-10RBIs baseballs right after the game.

What was there for ARod to question once he was pointed out that there is a MLB sticker and told it was a hr bat. If the marketing associate says it was a hr bat, then he inscribed it accordingly.

It would be disturbing if there was another bat with the same inscription (ie. the real hr bat) out there. Then I would come to the same conclusion as you.

If ARod was not aware that the bat brought to him to sign as a hr bat was the wrong bat that is different than knowingly signing an hr bat inscription on a non hr bat. To me at least, it just does not make sense that he would sign this specific inscription otherwise.

Also we don't know how the COA reads.

So i think we cannot come to a final conclusion until we know these facts.


Your thoughts?

Joel

for the record I own only 1 hr bat and 1 hr baseball.

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

The bat is definately NOT the bat used to hit the home run.

Based on the third screen shot supplied by Bobby, where you can see the label of the bat clearly at the end, there are no ball marks above the "Genuine C271L" (I can see one to the left above the "G" and again one over the "i") or deep cleat indentations on the scripted "Alex Rodriguez" bat label in the same locations on the bat Alex is holding just before hitting the home run.

Could they have been added later with subsequent use? Sure. Is it likely? Not in my opinion, based on the amount of additional scuffs and cleat marks added on this bat. If it was used a whole bunch more, how could they keep track of it without some sort of identification marked on the bat? Also, since it's not cracked, why would it be "retired" after subsequent use if it's still usable? Because A-Rod just decided "Hey, I hit home run #562 with this, shouldn't push my luck.....it's time to sell it." Huh? Makes no sense. There are a couple of white ball scuff marks above the "Genuine C271L" that are above the "G" and kind of between the "nu".....so even if the other ones were added later by subsequent use, how do you explain the disappearance of these marks? Just doesn't add up.

So, even though this bat may have been used in the game he hit home run #562, it is definately NOT the bat used to hit the home run. That missing description (to someone on their toes) is not shown in the MLB database, so it's easy to conclude that is the fact. But again, it appears it was not marketed or represented as being the home run bat. But it is notated in a deceiptfully close manner, enough to lead someone of lesser knowledge and experience with A-Rod inscripted bats that it may appear like it.....so this sucks for whoever won it because based on the price it went for ($3,050.00) I'm sure they thought it was.

This is the first bat I have ever seen inscripted this way, where the actual home run # is listed along with a "game used" inscription when they are not one in the same. I have seen this on some "game used" baseballs, inscribed that they were "game used" in the game a certain home run was hit, but those are relatively easilly discernable. So I guess this is not too surprising. A-Rod is now officially the "memorabilia whore" in the industry. (Please, Frik, what I mean is he will sell anything for money any way he can.....don't blow it out of proportion!! Not a sexist comment intended!!!)

This is deceiptful, even though he really isn't doing anything illegal, and collectors need to really be aware of the fact that A-Rod's stuff is being marketed in this manner. Or, eventually, Alex Rodriguez will most definately be on the news one day answering to a class action lawsuit from a group of duped collectors who have never heard of the GUU.

Good observation and find, Rboitano.

[gameused]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

2006, and it's at 350K, so you wont see much detail when trying to photo match.

[joelsabi]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

Joel,

Arod batted in the 4th, 6th and 8th innings.

The only knob pics that were visible were from the 6th inning. Here are some shots from the 6th, it's hard to get a good clear shot of the knob when the bat is always moving.

Thanks, Bobby

thanks again Bobby

Your efforts are very much appreciated.

How far back do the archives go for MLB.tv? What year?

[joelsabi]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

In regards to the highlighted cmment above, that's the biggest red flag and I agree. The first thing I thought of after reading the database verbage was....something stinks.

Bobby's most likely correct in his assumption.....someone got robbed here. A-Rod, the gazillionaire, ought to be ashamed. If the winning bidder somehow gets tipped off to this thread, he should go back to the marketers of this bat and demand a refund based on misrepresentation. The inscription is tricky, misleading, and completely unnecessary for Alex to sign the bat that way. Who really cares if an authentic game used bat was used in a game where a specific non-historic home run was hit?? In fact, since the bat appears to not be the one used to hit that home run, I think the inscription actually cheapens it. It looks too much like an attempt to make everyone believe it is the actual bat he hit home run #562 with.

Disgusting on the part of Alex and his marketing associates.

We dont know how this bat was represented when it was brought to ARod to sign. In the past, it seems that ARod will sign an inscription according to how the marketing associates claim what the item is because he trusts his handlers will represent him in a positive light. What was there for ARod to question once he was pointed out that there is a MLB sticker.


Luckily there is another avenue (ie. MVP) for Yankee game used equipment for Alex Rodriguez who gives 100% statements of endorsement that a HR bat he is selling is a HR bat. MVP was the original seller of G's photomatched bat and the 2006 wbc photomatched bat.

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

I sure would like to know how the COA reads on this bat now. It was conspicuously missing from the ebay listing.

For me the first redflag would be the MLB database not mentioning the HR.

Bobby,

Do you have ARod's other at bats from this game? Curious to know if a nonfactory stamped bat was even used in the game.

In regards to the highlighted cmment above, that's the biggest red flag and I agree. The first thing I thought of after reading the database verbage was....something stinks.

Bobby's most likely correct in his assumption.....someone got robbed here. A-Rod, the gazillionaire, ought to be ashamed. If the winning bidder somehow gets tipped off to this thread, he should go back to the marketers of this bat and demand a refund based on misrepresentation. The inscription is tricky, misleading, and completely unnecessary for Alex to sign the bat that way. Who really cares if an authentic game used bat was used in a game where a specific non-historic home run was hit?? In fact, since the bat appears to not be the one used to hit that home run, I think the inscription actually cheapens it. It looks too much like an attempt to make everyone believe it is the actual bat he hit home run #562 with.

Disgusting on the part of Alex and his marketing associates.

[gameused]

Re: Alex Rodriguez HR 562 bat Ebay

I sure would like to know how the COA reads on this bat now. It was conspicuously missing from the ebay listing.

For me the first redflag would be the MLB database not mentioning the HR.

Bobby,

Do you have ARod's other at bats from this game? Curious to know if a nonfactory stamped bat was even used in the game.

Joel,

Arod batted in the 4th, 6th and 8th innings.

The only knob pics that were visible were from the 6th inning. Here are some shots from the 6th, it's hard to get a good clear shot of the knob when the bat is always moving.

Thanks, Bobby