1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

[karamaxjoe]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

That's a wire photo from May of 1973. You can buy it on ebay if you like...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1973-Chicago-White-Sox-Dick-Allen-Orig-Press-Photo-/280575190306?pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item415395a522

[salukidave]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Allen won the MVP in 1972, but he probably received the actual award in 1973.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

I'm almost sure this picture is from '73

That's the MVP trophy. Didn't he win in '72?

[platinum1]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Not a match to the eBay jersey, maybe a match to some of the other Allen photos:

I'm almost sure this picture is from '73

[karamaxjoe]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Maybe. But, I think the Name In Collar swatch looks legit and authentic to '72 Sox shirts. Did '72 Sox pants have name swatches in the waistband?

Warren, I think you are on to something there. The pants tagging on Sox jerseys from that era was a long strip tag that started with the last name and continued with the rest of the information. If someone were to take the pants tags and cut them to fit for a NIC, the new NIC would be shorter on the right side.

I've attached a couple photos from Allen NIC from 1972 and 1974. Compare these to the ebay jersey NIC and you'll see the ebay jersey NIC is shorter on the right side. That has to be a red flag.

[cohibasmoker]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Is anyone on the forum going to bid on this jersey? If they are, I won't bid. OR,

If the bids don't go too high, I'll throw a bid in because I believe it is a legitimate White Sox jersey and it would display well. As for it being worn by Allen, well that's certainly a moot point.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

This looks like a legit '72 jersey that a collector had made to look like an Allen jersey.

Maybe. But, I think the Name In Collar swatch looks legit and authentic to '72 Sox shirts. Did '72 Sox pants have name swatches in the waistband?

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Not a match to the eBay jersey, maybe a match to some of the other Allen photos:

[salukidave]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

This looks like a legit '72 jersey that a collector had made to look like an Allen jersey.

[platinum1]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Dave,

To me, it looks like the NIC tag has come loose from the stitching on the top right. If the tag is stitched all the way around then I would agree it's been tampered with.

What's your thoughts on the number of pinstipe across the front? I know Dave Grob has done some research on that theory before.

What about the collar? The jersey looks to zip all the way up leaving a "U" shape collar but the '72 jersey example that both-teams-played-hard showed has an almost "V" shape to it like the zipper doesn't go all the way to the top.
Any idea?
Thanks
Edgar

[karamaxjoe]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Gotta agree with Jim P...the NIC tag looks to have a stitch imprint behind it on the right half.

Dave Miedema

Dave,

To me, it looks like the NIC tag has come loose from the stitching on the top right. If the tag is stitched all the way around then I would agree it's been tampered with.

What's your thoughts on the number of pinstipe across the front? I know Dave Grob has done some research on that theory before.

[sox83cubs84]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Gotta agree with Jim P...the NIC tag looks to have a stitch imprint behind it on the right half.

Dave Miedema

[platinum1]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Edgar,

My 1971 jersey was the last year of the flannels and the home collar stitching was red. In 1972 the Sox started wearing knits and the home collar stitching changed to black.

I think it would be difficult to get a good photomatch on a jersey that has had the numbers changed. The logo on the front also looks restored, but I couldn't prove that without seeing it up close. I would bet the stitching in the collar is good, even though it appears to be coming loose.

If the bid stays low on the Allen jersey I might make a run at it. The one problem is I'd always be bothered by the fact the numbers have been changed. I REALLY want one that's original like the one member ossteve has from this post.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...t=35554&page=2

I agree that its difficult photomatching the numbers because it might of been restored but the red stripes dont match. Just count the stripes from his left top shoulder and you can easily see that it doesn't match. As much as I would love the jersey I'm going to pass for now.

[karamaxjoe]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

The reason I thought it was red was because in karamaxjoe website he has a 1971 jersey with red stitching and I thought it would be the same for '72. Here is a link to his http://www.freewebs.com/karamaxjoe/a...otoid=24816133

Edgar,

My 1971 jersey was the last year of the flannels and the home collar stitching was red. In 1972 the Sox started wearing knits and the home collar stitching changed to black.

I think it would be difficult to get a good photomatch on a jersey that has had the numbers changed. The logo on the front also looks restored, but I couldn't prove that without seeing it up close. I would bet the stitching in the collar is good, even though it appears to be coming loose.

If the bid stays low on the Allen jersey I might make a run at it. The one problem is I'd always be bothered by the fact the numbers have been changed. I REALLY want one that's original like the one member ossteve has from this post.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=35554&page=2

[platinum1]

Re: 1972 Dick Allen Jersey on Ebay

Here is a 1972 name-swatch(Luis Alvarado) that I sold a while ago. It had a number change, and I believe this Allen did also. Always bet on black.

The reason I thought it was red was because in karamaxjoe website he has a 1971 jersey with red stitching and I thought it would be the same for '72. Here is a link to his http://www.freewebs.com/karamaxjoe/a...otoid=24816133