1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

[tacprc]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

This jersey was Lot Number 1085 in the June 2006 Mastro/Legendary auction. It appears to resemble the eBay jersey in terms of the sizes of the letters, numbers, and Reds emblem on the front and back. It came with an LOA from Dave Bushing & Troy Kinunen/MEARS.

[tacprc]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

This jersey was Lot Number 1371 in the Lelands auction that ended 14-Dec-03. It appears to resemble the American Memorabilia jersey in terms of the sizes of the letters, numbers, and Reds emblem on the front and back.

[trsent]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

We'll see. Ken Goldin should post photos early next week.

It doesn't matter what Ken posts, but if it makes you feel better about it that is your choice. The jersey has too many red flags that have been discussed in this discussion and pulling strings is not going to make this jersey game used which it never was.

[tacprc]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

We'll see. Ken Goldin should post photos early next week.

[trsent]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

Was, until recently. So, yes, I am especially interested in finding out the truth.

Ok, so you are Chuck Lumb who Dave Miedema originally wrote the second letter for and you wrote the third letter. Sorry about the findings of this jersey, but it's history is understandable. Now it's obvious the jersey is not what it originally was believed to be. Just rotten luck that time helped discover.

You can keep trying to dig up findings, but I have looked at this and I have consulted others in the industry who cannot believe this discussion has gone on so long because the jersey is a classic Scoreboard model jersey and it is fully understandable why the jersey was mis-identified over the years.

[tacprc]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

Was, until recently. So, yes, I am especially interested in finding out the truth.

[CollectGU]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

Tacprc, I just realized that is is your jersey on ebay?

Dave

[tacprc]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

Fyi, I have an old hard copy printout from eBay showing the front and back of a 1989 Manny Trillo Reds home jersey: number 9, Rawlings size 41, Set 1 1989. He was released by the Reds on May 25, 1989.

The jersey is similar to the Lenny Harris jersey that I posted earlier. The tag is the same style -- which does not match the Rose (eBay) or O'Neill (Reds HOF) jerseys. And to me eye the logo, letter, and number sizes match the Rose jersey jersey on eBay.

[trsent]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on eBay

I cant believe im gonna do this again. But I actually agree with TRSENT!!

Dinner and a movie next time you agree with me.

[commando]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

The Scoreboard Rose jerseys were not marketed as heavily as most of their others during that time (Bo Jackson, Will Clark, Nolan Ryan, etc...) I'd love to hear Ken comment on the timing of the Rose deal. I have a suspicion that the whole gambling thing went down pretty soon after the Scoreboard inked their deal with Rose. Regardless, Scoreboard print ads ran the Rose jersey for a very short period of time. It is of course possible that the Rose jerseys were sold through some medium other than print ads.

All we DO know is that these Rose jerseys show up today much less frequently than the Scoreboard Bos, Wills and Nolans. If the Rose jersey in question does indeed turn out to be a Scoreboard, I can see how authenticators could have made a mistake on this one.

Here are two Scoreboard ads for their Rose jersey. The photos Scoreboard used are poor in quality compared to all the other photos in the very same ads.... for whatever reason.

I look forward to hearing what Ken himself has to say about it.

[joelsabi]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

if this was a carry over tag issue this would be a 1990 Pete Rose jersey which we all know he was managing anymore.

meant WASNT

[joelsabi]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

Someone asked for proof Scoreboard had these jerseys - Ken Goldin, posting through someone else, said they did Pete Rose back then, but if that isn't proof enough, did you ever think that maybe Scoreboard wasn't the only company with access to order pro-cut style jerseys in this era? Who knows if they sold elsewhere to any other companies.

this could well be jersey special ordered for a Reds charity event and were intentionally tagged with mismatched tags by Rawlings to differentiate from a team issued jersey. Reminds me of Rawlings made a small modification for promo gloves given to UDA.

if this was a carry over tag issue this would be a 1990 Pete Rose jersey which we all know he was managing anymore.

[suave1477]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on eBay

Really? Really?

Really?

(Trying to quote The Miz, poorly so)

Keep trying to justify this jersey folks. I'll take the don't and y'all can keep dreaming something is what it will never be found to be.

Using the theory that Scoreboard in some other adds mentioned pro-cut tagging but they didn't in one ad for Pete Rose doesn't mean the jersey wasn't pro-cut. Hopefully someday one of these pops up for sale on eBay. That would be cool and end this discussion real fast.

I cant believe im gonna do this again. But I actually agree with TRSENT!!

[trsent]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on eBay

Really? Really?

Really?

(Trying to quote The Miz, poorly so)

Keep trying to justify this jersey folks. I'll take the don't and y'all can keep dreaming something is what it will never be found to be.

Using the theory that Scoreboard in some other adds mentioned pro-cut tagging but they didn't in one ad for Pete Rose doesn't mean the jersey wasn't pro-cut. Hopefully someday one of these pops up for sale on eBay. That would be cool and end this discussion real fast.

[jppopma]

Re: 1989 Pete Rose Gamer on ebay

I can't say for sure on the legitimacy of the jersey, but will caution that the one offered for sale is not the same as in the scoreboard ad.

The ad makes no mention of any tagging, which had always been one of Scoreboard's trademark selling points (they did sell autographed authentics on top of their "Scoreboard" jerseys). If the Rose in the ad had a tag, they would have more certainly included that in the description.

It will all come down to how much of a risk someone might be willing to take on this jersey.