McGwire bat on eBay

[Takuleechch]

Re: McGwire bat on eBay

What's the update on this?

[ousooner_85]

Re: McGwire bat on eBay

Hahahaha.......Classic Thread!

[Takuleechch]

Re: McGwire bat on eBay

This thread is hilarious. Why are people acting scared? Stick to your guns!!! Say it how it is!!!
You have to be pretty one-eyed to totally dismiss the lines under the number. I mean to convince yourself they don't even exist! Haha

[Samets]

Re: McGwire bat on eBay

Don't know how long you've been in this hobby, but with the casual way you throw around "lawsuit" and "prosecute," plus the bullying tone of your responses, I'm going to guess that perhaps you want to move to a less stressful hobby, one where you don't peruse forums where people's opinions may differ from yours.

Just my opinion.

Ken

Agreed. These are opinions and valid ones at that! If no one has seen this style of markings on a bat, it's natural to be curious and ask questions.

[cfern023]

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Has anyone contacted a person by the initials R.H. I'm curious what he would think about it, as I've always found him not only reputable, but respectable in his communications with me.

Those who know who I'm talking about, please keep his name to yourself. I'm not sure if he's much of a private or public person.

[earlywynnfan]

Re: McGwire bat on eBay

Don't know how long you've been in this hobby, but with the casual way you throw around "lawsuit" and "prosecute," plus the bullying tone of your responses, I'm going to guess that perhaps you want to move to a less stressful hobby, one where you don't peruse forums where people's opinions may differ from yours.

Just my opinion.

Ken

PS: You have access to this forum and you have access to ebay. You may even have access to the histories of major auction houses. I'm still waiting for you to find a knob with this type of numbering on the knob.

[zonker]

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twinlakespark, i didn't doctor anything. i just drew red lines around what i was seeing. i hope you don't include me in your collusion theory. i'ts not me. i don't have an ebay acct. at all and have made no offer's on it. here is the picture again without the red lines. if you have windows picture viewer, all you have to do is open it. then click on paint go to "invert colors" and click it. that's it. no doctoring! i apologizerd to you a few times,for sharing my opinion. so please don't accuse me of trying to mislead anything or anyone. i was just showing what i saw. in my worthless opinion. whatever is under there was written in a light color pen that's why it show's thru as black on the inverted picture, just as the black ink show's as white. i think going thru mears or someone that provides that service is a great idea. the buyer will appreciate a letter from one of those guy's better than an relatively unknown source anyway. it will also raise the value and interest in the bat. like i said besides the # on the knob. i like the bat! i've just never seen another mcgwire bat done like it and i've seen alot of mcgwire's in my year's of collecting mcgwire. i was just trying to help with a reasonable reason as to why it look's the way it does. that's it. that all.

[onlyalbert]

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Would anyone associated with this thread care to identify yourself as the parties who are now starting to submit low ball offers on the bat?

Collusion is the first word that comes to mind.

My ebay ID ends in 62401. I can promise you I am not making an offer on it. Have you considered that these are legit offers for what the perceived value of the bat is?

[TwinLakesPark]

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Is the $200 reward for a phtomatch to McGwire or Jimenez?

$200 for a match to McGwire
$1000 for a match to Jimenez - ($200 payable immediately, $800 upon legal settlement with the seller)

[TwinLakesPark]

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Would anyone associated with this thread care to identify yourself as the parties who are now starting to submit low ball offers on the bat?

Collusion is the first word that comes to mind.

[rdeversole]

Re: McGwire bat on eBay

There's clearly another number there. IMO, the fat and wide numbering on bats like this usually seem to suggest a cover up of another number.. and a very obvious one at that.

[3arod13]

Re: McGwire bat on eBay

The lines, where the arrows are, have no reason to be there, if 25 was being written on the knob. Especially the line going horizontal on the 5.

No way to explain that, other than there was something else written underneath.

[onlyalbert]

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Is the $200 reward for a phtomatch to McGwire or Jimenez?

Here's the problem I have with your bat/listing. A couple years ago I bought a high end bat on e-bay. The photos provided looked great. I paid 4 figures for the bat. When I got it home there was obvious signs of use not seen in the photos. Is it my fault for not asking questions....yes. In my opinion, it was also unethical for the seller to not have included all of the photos. In the end, it is my fault for not doing my homework. I wanted the bat to be something that it wasn't.

Is your bat a McGwire bat?.....absolutely, it says so on the stampings.
Is your bat game used?......absolutely.....the use is more than evident.
Is your bat a "McGwire game used bat"? Depends on how you interpret that statement.
Is the use McGwire's?......maybe or maybe not.
Is there another number under the 25? In my opinion yes. You say there is not conclusive evidence that there is a number under there. Well, is there conclusive evidence that there is NOT a number under there? Would you go so far as to say there is "possibly another number under the 25"?

If so, you should state that in the listing so someone does not have buyer's remorse. That is all I am saying. What isn't stated in the listing is more telling than what is.

You want this bat to be something that it may not be.....and for good reason.....you are selling it. Good luck to you on the authentication and good luck to the buyer.

[TwinLakesPark]

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7 of the 10 bats you pictured are A's bats and only one is close to yours as far as tar.

Correct, and that bat is also from 1993, the same year as my asset, which makes me even more comfortable about the pine tar application.

And are you saying there is not another players number under the 25?

From my eyes and holding the bat, and the doctored inverted photo that was posted, there is not conclusive evidence of a number underneath it. A suggestive photo was posted and doctored, and has now removed any objective opinion as to what is/or is not there.

There are a couple of big time Mac collectors on here. I'm sure they would be happy to chime in about the number on the end of the bat.

That would be great.

By all means have Troy K or Taube check it out, and let us know what they say please so we can all be set straight.

I will post the results. My reward of $200 for the photo match still stands.

[onlyalbert]

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I completely disagree on the non match to the pine tar pattern. My bat is tarred appropriately for the time period, and has "chunkier" tar, which is from heavier use and more applications. He actually used bats until they cracked. In his later Cardinal years (especially 1998), the use is minimal as the production was in the thousands. See the below picture from another collector. The 4th bat from the top is a 1993 gamer that was photo matched. Look at the pine tar application of that bat. So I guess that photo matched bat was used by someone else?



Rather than continue to throw around opinions and theories that are contradictory to the legal documentation that I have, I am going to submit the bat to Gray Flannel and/or Mears and allow them to conduct their own research. I do not have access to the thousands of photos that exist of McGwire game used bats, especially the thousands of uncracked 1998 so called "gamers" that are out there.

I do have a notarized letter from Kenny Garibaldi, the bat boy who obtained it, so if it is deemed not to be authentic, I have legal grounds to prosecute both him and Adelson Sports.

I will offer a $200 reward to anyone who can definitively photo match this.

7 of the 10 bats you pictured are A's bats and only one is close to yours as far as tar. Have the guy take pics of the 10 knobs and see how many match yours. And are you saying there is not another players number under the 25? There are a couple of big time Mac collectors on here. I'm sure they would be happy to chime in about the number on the end of the bat. By all means have Troy K or Taube check it out, and let us know what they say please so we can all be set straight.