Are Raising Stars Bats Becoming Over Priced?

[Vintagedeputy]

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I had that conversation with Andrew L. about the Nationals how I do not get how him and you other Nationals guy pay what you do for those prices consider the team is a last place team full of former nobodys from other teams. But he said its supply and demand as the team is so new there is no items. The prices will go down over the next few years. It is the same effect for these so called future superstars.

I'm a Nats fan and collector so I think that I can speak about this team a bit. To categorize them as a "last place team full of former nobodys from other teams" is really an unfair categorization. The issue is pitching and injuries. Christain Guzman is 6th in the league in hits, 7th in average and just belted another 2 home runs tonight. Many teams were looking at Ronnie Belliard at the trade deadline. He's a fantastic infielder and hitter. Aaron Boone is a fan favorite and has some fans on this forum as well. Zimmerman is an outstanding 3rd baseman and the future of the franchise.

The Nats have no pitching, zero, zilch. That's the issue. We have a couple of arms that could be #4 or 5 starters on other teams but they are untested rookies who need some time under their belts. Guys like Hanrahan have amazing stuff but not enough confidence in his ability and has been relegated to the closer role.

As far as position players, you have to really watch the team on a daily basis to see the future. Trust me, its there. We all know that Zimmerman is going to be a superstar. Even the announcers tonight said that if Zim was in the NY Mets line up, he'd be considered every bit as good as David Wright. There are a number of other hitters that have some real promise. Once these guys get some pitching, they'll be the new Tampa Bay Rays. They will come from nowhere and be great, but its going to be down the road a bit. Laugh now, but the team will come around.

[skyking26]

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Good thread topic. I've touched on it myself from time to time and experienced the inflation for many years. Back when Cecil Fielder came to Detroit from Japan and smacked 51 HRS - his bats were selling well over $400 and this was 1990. Foolishly I bought a few. Cecil had a decent career and went onto a WS ring with NY in 96, but his last years were spent hopping from team to team and his off-field theatrics post career (gambling) have tainted his accomplishments. Today, you'd be lucky to get $100 for a Cecil bat. However, I received a dealer email today for a Prince Fielder gamer OVER $500! Forget it. Speculation is not the way to go folks.

I agree with the posts written, a few months ago I struggled to get $300 for a Thome bat! The man is approaching 600 HRS. What does Jim Thome have to do to get attention? Anyone? Simple fact, buy what you want for your collection and forget about resale.

I'm currently off for a bit with a medical issue and am spending time going thru my collection. I happened upon an old SCD today from 76. There was an ad in there for late 60's early 70's flannels (mostly HOF's) all starting at $75! If we only knew...

[David]

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If Michael Jordan's and Joe Montana's values have gone done with time, these hot prospect's values will go down. Prospect speculating is largely about fads. One or two of the prospect bunch will become HOFers, and most of the rest will become not. As Gary Carter and Bruce Sutter show us, even if a hot prospect does become a HOFer, his prices likely will still fall.

[thomecollector]

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I am blown away by the fact that a guy like Thome , who is going to be in the HOF someday. Still doesn't get the respect he should. You can't even get $300 for his bats, or $500 for a jersey. That's a crock ! While you can see those bats/jerseys for players that have been around a year or two, getting crazy money. We'll see how that works out. I say it doesn't matter how you start, it's how you finish.
I never buy anything as an investment. I buy it cause I want it in my collection.

[cjclong]

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If you are looking at the bat as a financial investment then you are probably running a risk. However, if you are a collector its a somewhat different story. I've become a big fan of Josh Hamilton and I wanted a bat from his first year with the Rangers. If I had to overpay somewhat, so be it. Even if he goes on to have a great career he is probably too old now to wind up as a HOF player, but I'll have the bat from what is hopefully a good career of a player I like.

[BergerKing22784]

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I agree those prices are crazy for these young guys. You just have to be willing to wait it out and wait for the player to play a good # of season so the market gets flooded with their items and it gives them time to establish themselves as either a super star (at that point you can pay the crazy prices), a minor star, or just a journeymen utility guy.

I had that conversation with Andrew L. about the Nationals how I do not get how him and you other Nationals guy pay what you do for those prices consider the team is a last place team full of former nobodys from other teams. But he said its supply and demand as the team is so new there is no items. The prices will go down over the next few years. It is the same effect for these so called future superstars.

[bigtruck260]

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I sold TONS of cards at a garage sale 2 years ago. Included were the following gems:

Gregg Jefferies (decent player)
Ben McDonald
Todd Van Poppel
Shawn Abner
Jerome Walton

Funny, at the time - I probably spent hundreds of dollars in lawn mowing grip trying to get these cards...which in some cases I had 50-60 of. Beckett magazine had them so highly priced that I thought I'd be able to skip high school and pay for a private tutor.

Bats are kind of the same...but at least in some cases a bat can become valuable if that prospect is needed to fill a hole. Doesn't really even need to be a prospect. I once saw a Mark Mulder Cardinals bat go for more than $500. It was no doubt going towards someone's 06 World Series collection.

Funny, I just traded for a Jefferies bat....

[kudu]

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I would just wait until the off season, when those type items aren't moving as much. Maybe even go to some of the team FanFests and find some stuff there.

[David]

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A way to view future value of a prospect is to look at the current values of cards, autographs and memorabilia of the lesser HOFer players: Gary Carter, Don Sutton, Bruce Sutter, etc. Most of the stuff from these guys is very affordable, and any current top prospect will be lucky to have half the career of any of these HOFers

[commando]

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MOST of those bats will lose considerable value in my opinion. While a few players will make the Hall of Fame, become hometown favorites or be members of a collectible team year (i.e. 1986 Mets, 1982 Brewers), most of these values simply will not hold in the long run.

The list goes on and on with players from the past 30 years who were excellent players in their day... But today are largely forgotten when it comes to collectors and the prices they pay. Darrell Evans, Tony Armas, Bob Horner, Pedro Guerrero, Manny Trillo, Larry Parrish, Ken Singleton, Al Oliver.... The list of quality players from the past goes on and on... These guys were considered stars on their respective teams at the time but I think the prices of their bats are pretty darn reasonable -- not to mention the fact that their bats are fairly scarce when compared to what's available for today's players.

[David]

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When a prospect is supposed to be the next Babe Ruth, his prices will later plummet when collector's realize he's merely the next Mel Ott.

[r_phelps]

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And I thought I would add some great examples of busts..Bo Hart,Super Joe McEwing, and Mike Caruso. I remember selling a Bo Hart bat for more than 200!!!

[r_phelps]

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I agree with you all but I also know that the market for jay bruce or evan longoria is quite smaller than that of soriano or tejada. simple..supply and demand factors in as well in our market. for those who make a killing on these guys i say 2 words ..well played.

[Rob L]

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Yep. It's all way overpriced. It's the same thing that happens with Rookie cards. I bought my McGwire and Sosa rookies back in late 1990s when they were all the rage. Did I overspend, you bet. It's always best to wait a few years to see where the market is at. Look at Winfield and Thome bats. They are very reasonably priced for a HOFer and a future HOFer. Bonds prices are going down (for obvious reasons). It's best to try and not snap at something during the hype. It can be hard, but economically, it's the best way to go.

[chakes89]

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I paid about $450 for my Jay Bruce game used bat

But I didn't do it for investing purposes.

He is my favorite player and I wanted one of his bats


But I do think it is really getting out of hand