A.J. Burnett to NYY

[metsbats]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Here's what I don't understand (me being a Yankee fan and yet being equally objective)

I understand why other fans are mad at the Yankeees for going over board with paying high dollars for players. I even say it to myself sometimes HANK WHY?????

But reality is ISN'T THAT WHAT YOUR SUPPOSED TO DO?????????

To all other fans of other teams did I miss something????? Are you saying if we have the money, we shouldn't spend it so this way you can get the players?????

What part of the game is that????

There is revenue sharing so other teams do get some of what we make, so be mad at your teams owners, gm's and whoever for not investing it back into the team. Don't be mad at the Yankees thats just being selfish.

YOU SAY WE BUY CHAMPIONSHIPS??? WHO WON THE 2003 WORLD SERIES??? NOT US AND THE TEAM THAT DID, DID IT WITH ONE OF THEE LOWEST TEAM SALARIES IF NOT THEE LOWEST.

So remember money doesn't buy championships players do!!!

Remember we haven't won a World Series in 8 Years

If anything be happy, we highly paid for players that mostly did nothing for us or else if we didn't your team might have gotten them and not won the last 8 World Series.

I can name a couple of over payed players that ended up doing nothing for us or fell apart on us.

Jaret Wright
Randy Johnson
Carl Pavano
Kei Igawa
Kelly Stinnet
Sal Fasano
Drew Henson
Ramiro Mendoza
Jesse Orosco
Jason Giambi - I say this because of the roids

This is just my opinion

Just to be fair the Yankees got Orosco in the twilight of his career.

However I would add Danny Tartabull to that list of free agent signings who did nothing in pinstripes.

How about all the $$ they threw at Brien Taylor.

[bigtime59]

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It's almost impossible (these days) to buy your way to a World Series trophy. The playoffs are way too much of a crap shoot.
It is however, very possible to buy your way into the playoffs.
It's long been my contention that--given the absurd revenue discrepancies between the Yankee$ (and maybe four other teams, top) and everybody else--that the only explanation for them not winning the World Series every single year is that somebody else got really, really lucky, or the Yankee$ screwed up.
If I'm running a 500 meter race, I want everybody starting at the start line. I don't want the competitors strung out from 0 to 450 meters based on finances.
When MLB has revenue sharing for a minimum of 75% of all local revenues--based on the actual, not the cooked books--then maybe we can say the competition is fair.

[yanks12025]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Sal Fasano?

You know we got him in a trade.

[suave1477]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Here's what I don't understand (me being a Yankee fan and yet being equally objective)

I understand why other fans are mad at the Yankeees for going over board with paying high dollars for players. I even say it to myself sometimes HANK WHY?????

But reality is ISN'T THAT WHAT YOUR SUPPOSED TO DO?????????

To all other fans of other teams did I miss something????? Are you saying if we have the money, we shouldn't spend it so this way you can get the players?????

What part of the game is that????

There is revenue sharing so other teams do get some of what we make, so be mad at your teams owners, gm's and whoever for not investing it back into the team. Don't be mad at the Yankees thats just being selfish.

YOU SAY WE BUY CHAMPIONSHIPS??? WHO WON THE 2003 WORLD SERIES??? NOT US AND THE TEAM THAT DID, DID IT WITH ONE OF THEE LOWEST TEAM SALARIES IF NOT THEE LOWEST.

So remember money doesn't buy championships players do!!!

Remember we haven't won a World Series in 8 Years

If anything be happy, we highly paid for players that mostly did nothing for us or else if we didn't your team might have gotten them and not won the last 8 World Series.

I can name a couple of over payed players that ended up doing nothing for us or fell apart on us.

Jaret Wright
Randy Johnson
Carl Pavano
Kei Igawa
Kelly Stinnet
Sal Fasano
Drew Henson
Ramiro Mendoza
Jesse Orosco
Jason Giambi - I say this because of the roids

This is just my opinion

[bigtime59]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

I think you'll remember that Peter Angelos attempted the "Buy a Championship" routine. He just sucked at it.

Ah, yes...the 1998 Orioles payroll...the last refuge of Yankee$ defenders.
Lead the league in payroll once...a decade ago...what a horrible thing to do! Lead the league in payroll just about every other year except 1998...eh, that's OK.
One owners flaws do not erase the fact that MLB has an archaic, Rube Goldberg contraption for a revenue system that vastly favors at most five teams at the expense of everybody else.
Just because that was how things were done in the late 1800s doesn't make it right for the 21st century.

[Yankwood]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Here's an idea (for the anti-socialists in the group): let's just fold every other team in MLB, save the Yankee$ and the Red $ox. They're the only teams that matter, right? Why waste time on poseurs like the Orioles, Blue Jays, Royals, Pirates, et al, when the sport can be boiled to its essence and made much more entertaining?
After all, the fact that you just happened to be located in the most populous city in the country (or in a region rabid for baseball with no other teams nearby) should allow you to financially dominate the sport, right?
Screw fair competition, let's just buy championships...


The solution to this problem is NFL-style revenue sharing...and two more teams in NY. I doubt I'll live to see the day when MLB becomes 30 oarsmen in one boat, rather than this 30-boats, every-man-for-himself free for all we have now...but a boy can dream, can't he.

Hamfisted Hank said he'd buy up every top FA pitcher on the market. I wonder how those pitchers are going to feel when they stop counting their money and find they're pitching in front of the worst defense in the league?

I think you'll remember that Peter Angelos attempted the "Buy a Championship" routine. He just sucked at it.

[metsbats]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

According to Cbssportsline, The top 3 MLB team payrolls for 2008 were the Yankees, Tigers, and Mets- none made the playoffs. The Phillies and Rays- the 2 teams in the World Series were 13th and 29th in team payrolls. Its not so much how much you spend, its who you spend it on and how you spend it(player development and draft).
k

The one stat these 3 teams do lead the leagues in are $$ wasted.

Baseball is a team sport and it takes 9 guys to win a game not just one or two overpriced players. Mets learned that in 2008. Johan did his part but had no help in the relief pitching spot.

[kellsox]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

According to Cbssportsline, The top 3 MLB team payrolls for 2008 were the Yankees, Tigers, and Mets- none made the playoffs. The Phillies and Rays- the 2 teams in the World Series were 13th and 29th in team payrolls. Its not so much how much you spend, its who you spend it on and how you spend it(player development and draft).
k

[joelsabi]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Here's an idea (for the anti-socialists in the group): let's just fold every other team in MLB, save the Yankee$ and the Red $ox. They're the only teams that matter, right? Why waste time on poseurs like the Orioles, Blue Jays, Royals, Pirates, et al, when the sport can be boiled to its essence and made much more entertaining?
After all, the fact that you just happened to be located in the most populous city in the country (or in a region rabid for baseball with no other teams nearby) should allow you to financially dominate the sport, right?
Screw fair competition, let's just buy championships...


The solution to this problem is NFL-style revenue sharing...and two more teams in NY. I doubt I'll live to see the day when MLB becomes 30 oarsmen in one boat, rather than this 30-boats, every-man-for-himself free for all we have now...but a boy can dream, can't he.

Hamfisted Hank said he'd buy up every top FA pitcher on the market. I wonder how those pitchers are going to feel when they stop counting their money and find they're pitching in front of the worst defense in the league?

i guess my point was that their is the luxury tax and revenue sharing in baseball. if the teams that get this money do not reinvest the money back into their team and instead, as a member suggested, uses the money they receives from the larger market for their own personal expenses, who is to blame?


not all large markets have a propensity to spend money. the only reason manny played in los angeles was because the red sox was paying his salary.

then again. there are the small market teams that have the savy to pay long term contracts to really good young players like tampa.

[metsbats]

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/12/12/bp.yankees.burnett/index.html?bcnn=yes

SI article: Yankees may get burned by Burnett.

[bigtime59]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Here's an idea (for the anti-socialists in the group): let's just fold every other team in MLB, save the Yankee$ and the Red $ox. They're the only teams that matter, right? Why waste time on poseurs like the Orioles, Blue Jays, Royals, Pirates, et al, when the sport can be boiled to its essence and made much more entertaining?
After all, the fact that you just happened to be located in the most populous city in the country (or in a region rabid for baseball with no other teams nearby) should allow you to financially dominate the sport, right?
Screw fair competition, let's just buy championships...


The solution to this problem is NFL-style revenue sharing...and two more teams in NY. I doubt I'll live to see the day when MLB becomes 30 oarsmen in one boat, rather than this 30-boats, every-man-for-himself free for all we have now...but a boy can dream, can't he.

Hamfisted Hank said he'd buy up every top FA pitcher on the market. I wonder how those pitchers are going to feel when they stop counting their money and find they're pitching in front of the worst defense in the league?

[mwbosoxfan]

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Kell,
But if the red sox's signed him it would have been the greatest move ever.

Isn't this kind of funny how this works? It sounds like (rumors and speculation) interest in Manny Ramirez is shrinking and two possible teams to step up could be either the Yanks or the Nationals. There has been a tremendous amount of disdain towards Manny on this forum, a lot by Yankee fans. Based on his behavior, probably not totally unfounded. But, it will be very interesting to read what is written if he ends up in pinstripes.

[kellsox]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Kell,
But if the red sox's signed him it would have been the greatest move ever.

No, I was concerned with their supposed interest in him and the local media was killing the Sox for even the chance that they may sign him. I don't see them going after a big dollar pitcher. For the record- I think an AL team signing Lowe is a mistake

[metsbats]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Great move by the Yankees picking up Burnett. Banking on him to contribute in their rotation for the next 5 years will prove nothing but trouble. Lets go over the numbers:
On the DL 10 times in his career
over 200 innings 3 times(2 of the times were "contract years")
more than 12 wins once(last year "contract year")
Turning 32 in January

This guy is a dog and now that he got his last big contract he's going to sit back and collect his fat cash. I predict DL trip #11 happens before Aug of this year and he'll be in no rush to come back. Enjoy!
kelly

So you think AJ will turn into Carl Pavano Jr.

[yanks12025]

Re: A.J. Burnett to NYY

Kell,
But if the red sox's signed him it would have been the greatest move ever.