Notre Dame Jersey Discussion Thread

[cloudj12]

Re: Notre Dame Jersey Discussion Thread

Just received this from the GF auction, another "green" one, also featured on Uni Watch. There's some argument as to whether Digger Phelps really meant for these jerseys to be green or if they just ended up that way in the laundry but either way they played in this color for two seasons in the late 70s. Found a cool photo of Hanzlik wearing the jersey against Magic Johnson and the Michigan State Spartans.

Genius...The ND jerseys you're referring to definitely had an intentional light green tint to them. If you ever want to part with yoiur Bill Hanzlik ND uniform, please look me up. Thanks!

[genius]

Re: Notre Dame Jersey Discussion Thread

Just received this from the GF auction, another "green" one, also featured on Uni Watch. There's some argument as to whether Digger Phelps really meant for these jerseys to be green or if they just ended up that way in the laundry but either way they played in this color for two seasons in the late 70s. Found a cool photo of Hanzlik wearing the jersey against Magic Johnson and the Michigan State Spartans.

[genius]

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I should probably post this in the "most unusual item" thread but here's my lime green jersey from the Syracuse game in 1991 and I was able to get some screenshots of the game from the ND archives for a style match. Worn by football star Oliver Gibson who was also on the basketball squad, went on to play for the Steelers. He suited up for but didn't get in to the actual game though. Notre Dame lost by 1.

Paul Lukas graciously featured it on Uni Watch: http://www.uni-watch.com/2011/12/23/...reen-uniforms/

Also here's an account of the game and the jerseys from Chicago Tribune: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...n-daimon-sweet

[dcgreg25]

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Here's the actual page of the catalog scanned for your review. Certainly, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the jersey up for auction on MEARS site - I am simply putting in my own opinion based on my years of experience and research on ND jerseys, as well as for the education value regarding ND jerseys in this thread. The good news? It is definitely an authentic game-style jersey, and I would be comfortable with the autograph as well even if it doesn't have an original Killir sports LOA with it.

Great research and a great reference to the Killir Gold Club. They were my introduction into autographed memorabilia. I still have a couple helmets, etc. from them.

[genius]

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Changing the subject a bit--my 1991 lime green Notre Dame hoops jersey was graciously featured in Uni Watch by Paul Lukas, a lot of fun to see it on there!

http://www.uni-watch.com/2011/12/23/the-story-behind-notre-dames-1991-lime-green-uniforms/

[beavisrules]

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Here's the actual page of the catalog scanned for your review. Certainly, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the jersey up for auction on MEARS site - I am simply putting in my own opinion based on my years of experience and research on ND jerseys, as well as for the education value regarding ND jerseys in this thread. The good news? It is definitely an authentic game-style jersey, and I would be comfortable with the autograph as well even if it doesn't have an original Killir sports LOA with it.

[beavisrules]

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Michael,

Yes it is. A company called Killir Sports released a catalog of Notre Dame memorabilia in fall 1996 (you can still obtain one of these catalogs from old 1996 Notre Dame football programs, as they were inserts). On page 20 of this catalog (as I have one for reference), they sold a "Derrick Mayes autographed Authentic ND Navy #1 jersey" for $99.95 - the autograph was in black sharpie on the front #1.

Other reasons this is not a Mayes gamer - it can't be a 1993, because it is the wrong tagging (the dome appeared starting in 1994). It isn't a 1994, because all 1994s had the year sewn into the tag. It isn't a 95 or 96, because Mayes wouldn't have had a gamer without significant wear - the tags on this jersey are way too crisp on the corners for this to be a gamer for starters, and Mayes blocked a lot in Holtz's offense, meaning shoulder impact marks are a must for a true Mayes gamer in his junior and senior years. There are a few other reasons that this is not a Mayes gamer that I will not disclose here, mainly to prevent anyone from "adjusting" a retail authentic in the future. I have never seen a true Mayes gamer from ND in the past 10 years for sale - I have seen at least 10 jerseys claiming to be Mayes gamers during this time, but all were missing the telltale characteristics needed, and were simply retail authentics.

Hope this helps.

[MichaelofSF]

Re: Other Champion Authentic Blue ND Jerseys from 1994 to 1997

One more thing to note about the "Authentic" Champion Notre Dame home blue jerseys from the 1994-1997 era - the #3 was not the only number made into an authentic jersey that is very similar to a gamer - the #1 jersey was also made available for public purchase given Derrick Mayes popularity at the time. I have seen a few of these Mayes authentics listed as gamers on ebay, but none have been game worn - they were actually authentics. Also note that many of them had a Mayes signature on the front number 1 - again, not a gamer, but a retail authentic - they were sold by a now-defunct company right after Mayes graduated from ND. Here's an example of an authentic non-gamer #1 jersey:


One last note before I leave the 1994 - 1997 era home blue authentics - I was asked once about the #44 jersey (worn by Marc Edwards at the time), and whether this was also a jersey made into a retail authentic. This is not clear to me - I have seen only 2 of these authentic #44 home (blue) jerseys ever listed for sale. I have never seen them available for retail purchase in any of the old catalogs or sale listings I have access to. It is possible that the athletic department had a few extras of the #44 jersey made up to give to VIPs (aka significant donors). But, alas, the #44 jersey history from this era is not completely clear to me - perhaps they truly were gamers (or at least team issued) after all, because I have been unable to prove otherwise thus far.

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.co...RS-Auction-LOA)-

Is this one of those jerseys?

[kudu]

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Nevermind, found my answer in this thread:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=27449&highlight=rawlings+tag

[kudu]

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Does anyone know what year(s) Rawlings made jerseys for the Notre Dame baseball team?

[genius]

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I wonder if they even knew about it? That would be where it belongs. Reserve could have been $50K, not sure why Theismann would part with those other than major-cash. I have one of the same set of navy short-sleeve versions, couldn't believe how flimsy it was when I received. Cotton Bowl shirt just might have been designed for more of a winter's day. Maybe he'll donate it to the alma-mater, I would rather have a slice of immortality at ND than sell for a measly $25K (if I'm Theismann, of course!).

[beavisrules]

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genius, that Theismann jersey is outstanding. To be honest, I was hoping the University itself would bid and win it so it could be displayed on campus for all the enjoy. What do you bet the reserve is set at? I suspect it is at 25k.

Also, did you look closely at the pic of the two jerseys? I was struck by the significant difference in the sleeve length relative to the #7 on both jerseys; seems odd to me to have such a difference. Warm weather versus cold weather? Jerseys from different years? Thoughts?

[genius]

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Highest bid for the Theismann was $11K with reserve NOT met!

[sox83cubs84]

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This Notre Dame thread is marvelous...keep adding to it! I knew of the blue #3s, but most of the rest was news to me...always willing to learn more.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[genius]

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Awesome Theismann jersey on AMI right now. Nice video shot from that Cotton Bowl clearly shows the NOB, www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPJHw4ubVk8