Question for the community

[metsbats]

Re: Question for the community

"Ironically, if everyone attempted to always act "with a sincere attempt to benefit the hobby" we wouldn't really need many rules if any at all. However, until we reach that place, I believe both the rules and the positive intentions of the vast majority of our members will protect the forum from those with less noble objectives."


There's no perfect world or perfect forum and we will never reach that place but it 's great to know we all are doing our part to do what we can to minimize these unfortunate disruptions

Thanks Chris.

-David

[allstarsplus]

Re: Question for the community

When a member is banned we automatically ban their IP address as well as their email address in the system. Both will automatically be flagged if they are attempted to be used again. Obviously, someone can use another IP address when attempting to re-enroll. However, I think the forum rules and objectives of the forum provide a second line of defense when banned members attempt to circumvent the system (which was the case here).

Chris - Thanks for the followup. Andrew

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Question for the community

Chris,

Does the Forum software allow checks at the time of registration for the IP address of a person attempting to register. The IP can be checked against a list of banned IP (if that information is tracked in the database).

This would not allow a "banned" person to re-register. Of course all bets are off if the person uses another PC but at least it will make the person work if they truly want to circumvent the checks.

Hello David,

Thanks for the post. When a member is banned we automatically ban their IP address as well as their email address in the system. Both will automatically be flagged if they are attempted to be used again. Obviously, someone can use another IP address when attempting to re-enroll. However, I think the forum rules and objectives of the forum provide a second line of defense when banned members attempt to circumvent the system (which was the case here).

Among the 17 rules of the forum, which all posters are required to abide in, is the following:

It is expected that all posts are to be created with a sincere attempt to benefit the hobby. Any posts which the Administrator deems as a personal attack or an attempt to unnecessarily discredit others will be subject to the administrative rules of the forum.

I believe we have put a lot of sweat into showing the hobby that this site is expected to be run in a way that is sincerely attempting to benefit the hobby. In fact, I think that spirit is now the predominant one among our members and, while anyone is welcome to enroll on this site, I don't think posters will be around very long if they are not acting in accordance with our rules. Neither the rules nor the members would allow it.

Ironically, if everyone attempted to always act "with a sincere attempt to benefit the hobby" we wouldn't really need many rules if any at all. However, until we reach that place, I believe both the rules and the positive intentions of the vast majority of our members will protect the forum from those with less noble objectives.

Please let me know if that answers your questions.

Sincerely,
Chris

[allstarsplus]

Re: Question for the community

Check out this Post. Look familiar?


http://www.beckett.com/beckettforum/...osts&t=1459644

[metsbats]

Re: Question for the community

Chris,

Does the Forum software allow checks at the time of registration for the IP address of a person attempting to register. The IP can be checked against a list of banned IP (if that information is tracked in the database).

This would not allow a "banned" person to re-register. Of course all bets are off if the person uses another PC but at least it will make the person work if they truly want to circumvent the checks.

-David

[allstarsplus]

Re: Question for the community

Hello Andrew,

Thanks for your post. However, I'm not exactly sure how to interpret it. You emailed Eric and me this morning with "suspicions" about the member and by the afternoon the member was banned from the site. Given we are not going to take action without proper cause, I'm just trying to figure out where the shame is in the situation.

As it turned out, I think the situation was made pretty clear to all our members and in the process the reputation of a very credible entity in the hobby was further solidified. Am I missing something?

Sincerely,
Chris

Chris - The shame in this lies solely on Marlins2003 who is responsible for his own actions. You are not the problem here. I am frustrated with how this person circumvented system controls to keep posting with an alias after being banned.

Offline, this person has become a big topic of discussion as many members expect him to reappear again. He has caused much disruption outside of the Forum too, and taken up countless hours of legitimate time from members as he has done with me also.

Given we are not going to take action without proper cause

Just for clarification, I thought proper cause to supspend would be utilizing another alias when you have already been banned which seemed fairly clear unless I am missing something.

Andrew

[B1SON]

Re: Question for the community

I collect such an exclusive group of players that when I finally find something I am pretty much at the mercy of the seller. It is not arrogance that keeps me from walking away, it is the fact that I have search for so long and there just is not much gu stuff of the people I collect out there.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Question for the community

Chris, I emailed you and Eric and others this morning with my suspicions on this person and I never heard back from either of you.

It is a shame that this couldn't have been shut down sooner.

Hello Andrew,

Thanks for your post. However, I'm not exactly sure how to interpret it. You emailed Eric and me this morning with "suspicions" about the member and by the afternoon the member was banned from the site. Given we are not going to take action without proper cause, I'm just trying to figure out where the shame is in the situation.

As it turned out, I think the situation was made pretty clear to all our members and in the process the reputation of a very credible entity in the hobby was further solidified. Am I missing something?

Sincerely,
Chris

[metsbats]

Re: Question for the community

I resisted the temptation to be part of the original thread because it was clear to me the buyer was not playing with a full deck.

I just have to add it's a shame that a respectable dealer like Kim Stigall has to tolerate abuse like this.

Unfortunately it's folks like Marlins2003 or whoever he really is that give the forum a bad name.

-David

[allstarsplus]

Re: Question for the community

Hello Everyone,

As an FYI, Marlins2003 has also now been banned from the forum given that user name was associated with someone who was already banned previously.

Sincerely,
Chris Cavalier

Chris, I emailed you and Eric and others this morning with my suspicions on this person and I never heard back from either of you.

It is a shame that this couldn't have been shut down sooner.

Isn't there system safeguards so this doesn't happen again?

Andrew

[G1X]

Re: Question for the community

All I have to say about this is that Kim Stigall (Ball Park Heroes) is one of the finest in the business. I have had nothing but very positive dealings with him over the years. A first-class gentleman who is about as easy-going as it gets.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange

[autographedgamers]

Re: Question for the community

I think that there are many cases where there are not really clear values for certain items. You can see a vladimir guerrero unsigned game used xbat is being sold on ebay this hour for 550. I paid 400 for my Guerrero signed rookie bat from 1997. I have sold some bats for 1500 and the identical bat for 700 one year later. It all depends on the deal and the time. Anyhow, I don't think you are out of line if you truly were considering the item at his/her price.

[hblakewolf]

Re: Question for the community

[quote=ironmanfan;46830]Good pick up Howard....

Has Jason faxed a copy of his latest bank statement to you yet??[/quote]

Although Jason never provided a copy of his bank statement to me, I did receive this rather odd email, with another one that followed seeking to actually purchase my Cabrera WBC jersey!


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Adair" <ryanzimmerman11@msn.com>
To: <hblakewolf@patmedia.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Formal Apology



> I honestly couldn't give a rats ass about some of those pompous, arrogant
> pricks on GUU. They seems to like to make someones day miserable just for
> fun. However, I did want to clear the air between you and I.
>
> I made and judgement call and as far as I can tell...I was wrong.
>
> For that, I apologize.
>
>
> Take care,
> Jason
>
>
> >From: "Howard Wolf" <hblakewolf@patmedia.net>
> >To: "Jason Adair" <ryanzimmerman11@msn.com>
> >Subject: Re: Formal Apology
> >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:19:25 -0400
> >
> >Jason-
> >The honorable thing to do would be to make it to those who read your other
> >posts-the Forum and Beckett readers. How about extending it to those who
> >may have read your prior posts on both sites?
> >
> >Howard
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jason Adair" <ryanzimmerman11@msn.com>
> >To: <hblakewolf@patmedia.net>
> >Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:09 PM
> >Subject: Formal Apology
> >
> >
> > > Howard,
> > >
> > >
> > > I owe you a formal apology. I'm truly sorry for jumping to conclussions
> > > concering the authenticity of items you are/were selling.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am still learning who's who in this side (game used) of the sports
> > > industry. It seems as though I latched on to a few collectors/dealers
> >that
> >I
> > > thought were good guys and I focused on a few that I thought were not so
> > > good.
> > >
> > > It seems I made a grave mistake in judgement concerning you. From what I
> >can
> > > see you are an upstanding seller.
> > >
> > >
> > > Please accepts my sincerest apology.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jason Adair
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________ _______________
> > >
> >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotma...M_mini_2G_0507
> > >
> >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
> http://newlivehotmail.com
>

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Question for the community

Hello Everyone,

As an FYI, Marlins2003 has also now been banned from the forum given that user name was associated with someone who was already banned previously.

On a separate note that has relevance to this thread, I will add that my experiences, as well as the opinions I have received, in relation to Kim Stigell have been nothing but positive.

Sincerely,
Chris Cavalier

[ironmanfan]

Re: Question for the community

Good pick up Howard....

Has Jason faxed a copy of his latest bank statement to you yet??