2009 HOF Class

[skyking26]

Re: 2009 HOF Class

Rice should pave the way for Dawson. May take time, but now it is only right as Dawson's numbers are better. Look at the gold gloves too. MVP. Dawson is HOF no doubt if Rice gets in. Dawson had misfortune like Thome of playing for poor clubs...........

[AWA85]

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I've always liked Thome. I speak with thomecollector almost daily. We had a conversation yesterday about this. My stance is if Thome does not reach 600 HR, he's in maybe on 2nd or 3rd try based on numbers AND his contributions on and off the field. Thome is well liked and respected in either area and has since his early days always held charitable events etc. 600+ HRS and he's a lock. Drawback on Thome is he's always played for crap clubs, small market, and he's an under the radar guy. The way baseball is with competition - numbers are what keeps him in a lineup, not his smile.

When it comes to HOF election, it's numbers first, and player contributions on/off field thereafter. I'm personally unfamiliar with Bagwell so can't comment. Regarding Ozzie Smith, I never thought he was a Hall of Famer. All glove no hit, but that is me. Regarding Rice, he's in because he exhausted his reg. tries. Now that he is in, eventually Dawson will follow. Sure thing.

The one thing I think Thomas has going for him, is that for awhile he was the most feared hitter in the league. Those 93 and 94 numbers are just amazing, didn't he have an OBP above .480

[chakes89]

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I hope Dawson gets in

It will make a potential impending purchase of mine go up in value slightly

[skyking26]

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I've always liked Thome. I speak with thomecollector almost daily. We had a conversation yesterday about this. My stance is if Thome does not reach 600 HR, he's in maybe on 2nd or 3rd try based on numbers AND his contributions on and off the field. Thome is well liked and respected in either area and has since his early days always held charitable events etc. 600+ HRS and he's a lock. Drawback on Thome is he's always played for crap clubs, small market, and he's an under the radar guy. The way baseball is with competition - numbers are what keeps him in a lineup, not his smile.

When it comes to HOF election, it's numbers first, and player contributions on/off field thereafter. I'm personally unfamiliar with Bagwell so can't comment. Regarding Ozzie Smith, I never thought he was a Hall of Famer. All glove no hit, but that is me. Regarding Rice, he's in because he exhausted his reg. tries. Now that he is in, eventually Dawson will follow. Sure thing.

[AWA85]

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So if people like Thomas and Thome are padding their numbers by DHing in the AL, then those people are more deserving of a HOF spot? I mean, Bagwell was definitely a more complete player than the 500 HR club member Jim Thome.

But those players kept playing and kept adding to their numbers, something Bagwell did not do. He played his 15 seasons or whatever and was done. I don't think he will get in.

[frikativ54]

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He didn't reach any of the milestones his position almost demands in regards to getting into the Hall of Fame

So if people like Thomas and Thome are padding their numbers by DHing in the AL, then those people are more deserving of a HOF spot? I mean, Bagwell was definitely a more complete player than the 500 HR club member Jim Thome.

[AWA85]

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Ozzie Smith got in

Barry Larkin should go in as well

He was a much better player than Smith

Don't even get me started on Ozzie, maybe one of the most overrated players of all time. Same amount of hits, but the avg. obp. and home runs are not even close to Larkin. Ozzie got in because of his glove, and Larkin was right behind Ozzie with the glove. Larkin has to be in.

[AWA85]

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I liked Bagwell, but he has no chance. Neither does Larkin. I think Dawson deserves to be in before Rice.

Larkin NO Chance, really? 2,340 hits, 198 HR, .295 AVG, and something Dawson could not even sniff a .371 OBP. 12 time All Star, MVP, 3 Gold Gloves, and maybe most importantly CUBS fans he won a WS. At this time offense was not huge from shortstops, something to think about.

[chakes89]

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I liked Bagwell, but he has no chance. Neither does Larkin. I think Dawson deserves to be in before Rice.

Ozzie Smith got in

Barry Larkin should go in as well

He was a much better player than Smith

[skyking26]

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I agree with Nate. Dawson before Rice. If Rice made it, it is because he was on his last chance before vets committee I believe.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Of course Jim Rice is in. Haven't you heard of "east coast media bias". Many of the writers were kids living on the East Coast when Rice was at his best. Sounds like a nostalgia trip. Just let everyone in who ever made an all-star team.
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[ndevlin]

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I liked Bagwell, but he has no chance. Neither does Larkin. I think Dawson deserves to be in before Rice.

[chakes89]

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He didn't reach any of the milestones his position almost demands in regards to getting into the Hall of Fame

[frikativ54]

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We all knew Henderson was in, anyone a little surprised about Rice sneaking in?

If Rice is in, shouldn't Bagwell be in?

[chakes89]

Re: 2009 HOF Class

Forget Larkin

VOTE CONCEPCION!