Re: OT - AROD admits steroid use
So baseball has never been tainted before? I think you guys live in Disneyland or maybe you're beginning to mature and understand the realaties of life.
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Re: OT - AROD admits steroid use
schubert1970.........
I don't even know how to respond to your comment, but I'll try.
I am not saying anything like TAKE ALL OF THE NUMBERS out of the record books, or anything radical like that.
I am simply saying we need to understand that the "numbers" established during this time frame (15, 20, possibly 25 years from here backwards) have the likelyhood of being "warped" because of rampant steroid use by the stars of the game.....and even the regular Joes. So in effect, the historical statistics that give us a benchmark to compare players in different times....have been chemically and artificially ALTERED by something unnatural and unrelated to the game itself (like watered down pitching because of expansion, changing the amount of games played in a season, etc.).
If you can't understand that, then I certainly won't be able to ignite the light bulb above your head. It's a tainted time in the history of the sport. We need to accept that fact with all of these (continuing) revelations coming out about the players in this era, fix it, and move ON.Leave a comment:
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It doesn't matter anymore, Frik.....
It's a dead era.
We need to fix it, move on, and get back to the days with integrity built into the game.
It starts with ridding the sport of Selig.Leave a comment:
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Re: OT - AROD admits steroid use
Are you kidding me? So with this logic we should adjust all records before African Americans were allow to play. Theis is just one example of many. Stop acting like the history of baseball started in your lifetime. Tell my why the numbers were all pure to begin with?Leave a comment:
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If A-Rod lied before, how do we know that this "truth" is the whole truth? I mean, he could have done steroids both before or after when he claims. Who is being honest?Leave a comment:
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Look folks......
I think it's high time we all accept the fact that, wrong as it was......and it WAS.....there was a time that baseball went through a dark period, where the players mostly used PED's, and that's it. It happened, and we all just need to take a deep breath, and accept it for fact. Let's set up new stringent testing, levy high penalties for enforcement of found violators, and let's move forward and put this nasty "era" behind us.
Now? We have to "factor in" and "discount" all of the past 15-20 years of numbers put up by the players of that time because Selig has allowed the sport to be infiltrated with drugs, cheaters, and a "Me first at all costs" regime who has ruined the record books. During this time, in close contact, and agreement, apparently, is Fehr and the owners.
But the thing I think everyone needs to realize is that this great game of ours has had some serious WONDERFUL leaders in it's time. The late great Landis sat Babe's butt down when he disgraced the game, and set an example.....that NO ONE is bigger than the game.
Then there was the incomparable Giamatti. He showed Rose who the man was. Again..........the "man".....was "BASEBALL", not Pete, and banned him for life for violating the golden rule, according to the signs posted on EVERY major league locker room in the Nation: NO betting on baseball.
These were men, folks. MEN. They stood up for what was right.
They stood up for the history, the heritage, the integrity of our great game.
They didn't "fold" to the desires of popular opinion, or try to "fix" a game that didn't need fixing. The 1994 strike was painful for the fans, but blame greed, the Players Union, and enter Bud "Geek" Selig, who helps to oust Faye Vincent. That's when everything started to go wrong. Bud was nothing but the owners "Puppet", and he has F'ed up our beloved past time more than any of you can even begin to understand. In time, you will.
Selig is a disgrace, and needs to be removed from his position ASAP. His legacy to the game of baseball will go down as the most shameful time the game has ever seen, including ANY era or event one can mention (yes, including the 1919 "Black Sox"). This "steroid era" has assaulted the records books and statistics of a sport known for them, cherished by it's fans, and followed closely by historians.
The only thing that mattered in comparing the greats of this wonderful game was the assurance it was played on a level playing field. Selig has allowed just the opposite to occur in incredibly disgusting amounts of neglect in doing whats right for the game, for Governing it as he was supposed to. And for what?....all for the evil DOLLAR for the owners who have kept him there while their pockets were lined with green.
And speaking of "GREEN", we all now know what this maggot received for compensation last year. He is nothing more of a symbol of everything that is wrong in America. He, essentially, is just another "CEO' who has taken a massive paycheck for doing nothing more than running his "Corporation" into the ground head first. We demand better.....we need to fix this NOW.
Shame on you Selig, you piece of overpaid garbage. Show some true respect for the game you claim to love so much, and RESIGN immediately, if not sooner. Then we can all start to rebuild the game with a new Commissioner, one not "owned" by anyone in the game. Then we can enjoy it once again with clean players and a system set up to establish the integrity BACK into the game. It never should have been seperated from it in the first place. But it is a great game, so it will survive the "Selig" era too.Leave a comment:
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Re: OT - AROD admits steroid use
It's not hard to admit to something that everyone already knows.
I supposed next time I enter a room, I'll should tell the people that the blue shirt I'm wearing is a blue shirt and wait for the the cheers and applause for my honesty and moral fortitude. "We never would have known!," they'll gush. "If you hadn't told us, we would have died thinking it was an orange shoe!"Leave a comment:
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HGH cannot be detected by any urine test. Unless the person taking it leaves a trail by credit card, cancelled check or their source turns on them, there is no possible way even to this day to tell if someone is using HGH. Not saying ARod continued to use or even used HGH at any point, but it amazes me how people still do not understand this fact. There is no current reliable test for HGH. Only a blood test which is also up for debate in terms of reliability, and therw is no blood testing in major pro sports.Leave a comment:
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I think the worst part is the affect that A-Rod used steroids has on the GAME. If he cheated, who didn't? Frankly, considering how fans only seemed to care when it became factual versus hearsay and since MLB didn't care then and doesn't care now, does it really matter?
Baseball sold it soul years ago. They all cheated, I believe it in my heart. I trust no one in the game to be clean. As other posters have said, most people in life have cheated at something because all that matters to the average person anymore is money. You may have lied, cheated or bent the truth for some other reason but ballplayers cheat for money. Period. Put the Salary Cap at $1 million dollars and see what happens. Think the average player would play for $100,000? (more than 200% over what the average fans makes) The days of playing "for the love of the game" are over. It's time to embrace the fact that our heros are mortal men, succeptible to the same vices as the rest of us. Hell, Mickey Mantle as an asshole alcoholic. He ruined his liver, admitted to playing drunk and being a womanizer and is still beloved by fans. He even got a new liver because he was Mickey Friicking Mantle! Jim Rice was a dirtbag and treated the media like they were part of the Nazi party. Even they eventually forgave him and elected him to the Hall. This too shall pass.
I don't blame these guys for doing drugs because Bud Selig and Don Fehr are just as guilty as BALCO. Once revenue streams started to dip after the 1994 Strike, Baseball had to do something to get butts in seats again. I'm not saying they said it was ok to do whatever was necessary, I'm just saying that BALCO could send these two men dividend checks.
In 1998 Big Mac and Sosa were the reason for the most important season since the days of Mickey, Duke, Willie and Hank. I would argue that with the exception of maybe 1975 when Aaron broke Babe's record, it was the most popular Baseball had been since the 1930's. Billions of dollars were made by thousands of people. They could have shot up in front of kids during batting practice and NO ONE WOULD HAVE SAID ANYTHING. And lets not forget that Selig made $17.5 million dollars and all of this ALL OF IT, happened on his watch.
Yes, I am upset ballplayers (especially A-Roid) took steroids. I am more upset the retards in charge of the Atlanta Braves didn't resign John Smoltz. These would be two shining examples of why Baseball is a business and not a sport. Cuba Gooding Jr. had it right in "Jerry McGuire"......Show me the money.
The all mighty dollar wins and we lose again...........Leave a comment:
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Read an article, not just the head line. Need anything else...? This one of many sources!
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“They are looking in the wrong places,” Canseco said in a text message to The Associated Press. “This is a 25-year cover-up. The true criminals are Gene Orza, (union head) Donald Fehr and (commissioner) Bud (Selig). Investigate them, and you will have all the answers.”
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