Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

So - if someone lies to you about fair market value - they can just get away with it? He first told me that fair market value was what I was buying it for. Now he tells me if I send it back I will only get $1200. Yet in his COA it says it's from an Astros clubhouse source. It's from a dealer in Colorado.

It's quite simple and has been stated more than once in this thread alone. "Fair market value" is only as much as you (the buyer) are willing to pay for an item....not what the seller tells you it is.

I'm sorry, but you overpaid. There's nothing any court, nor the BBB, will help you with in this matter. He set a price and you paid it. I still don't see the problem. With a little due diligence you could have found out that his items were severely overpriced and avoided this whole mess from the get go.

As I said, your anger is misplaced. Hopefully you avoid making the same mistakes twice. And for Pete's sake, I hope you don't intend on returning the jersey fro the $1200 refund he offered. That would only compound the mistakes already made.


Just offering my opinion on the matter,
Jay

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

So - if someone lies to you about fair market value - they can just get away with it? He first told me that fair market value was what I was buying it for. Now he tells me if I send it back I will only get $1200. Yet in his COA it says it's from an Astros clubhouse source. It's from a dealer in Colorado.

Frik,

I have nothing against this "Chris Boyd", don't know him, never dealt with him. Just want to make that clear. But obviously you have been hurt by a dealing you had with him......actually, two dealings it appears.

I have no idea what your feelings are in regards to lawyers, but if you feel you have a clear-cut case of misrepresentation (fraud), maybe you should make a few calls and ask for a free consultation. You will find a few that will talk to you, and possibly tell you if you have a case or not.

Just take my advice.......pay them only on "consignment", meaning they only get paid if they recover funds for you. Otherwise, it's NOT worth it no matter what they say. It would just be the case of throwing good money after bad.

Good luck in your future collecting, and don't hold a few bad dealings against this site. We all have had our share of disappoinments in our game used collecting....TRUST me.

[otismalibu]

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So - if someone lies to you about fair market value - they can just get away with it?

Lying is the cornerstone of the game used memorabilia market.

Always keep that in mind.

[frikativ54]

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I think I am confused. Please help me here.

You paid $3275. for a jersey. The seller then admits that it's only valued at $1200. then you pay $1000 for a pair of batting gloves that you now feel are only worth $250 or so.....and you now want a refund?

If that is in deed the correct trail of events, why is your overpaying his problem?

I don't think I am seeing the logic here.

While I agree that some of the sellers documented practices are less than ethical and I personally would never buy from him....I don't see how your over paying for a jersey and a pair of batting gloves constitutes thievery by the seller (i.e several times you claimed you were ripped off).

It seems to me, now this is just my take on the situation, you feel you were duped and made a few overzealous, hasty purchases. While you have every right to be angry I think your anger is misplaced.

This falls under the "live and learn" category. I would chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned.

So - if someone lies to you about fair market value - they can just get away with it? He first told me that fair market value was what I was buying it for. Now he tells me if I send it back I will only get $1200. Yet in his COA it says it's from an Astros clubhouse source. It's from a dealer in Colorado.

Re: Chris Boyd's Business Practices - Part Deux

Now, the only way Chris Boyd will refund the money is if it is done through the legal system. He says that fair market value for the jersey is $1200. And I paid $3275. He refuses to refund the money. What a fraud. He's now telling me that the jersey was from a friend of Jeff's in California, even though I have pictures from the guy in Colorado showing that those jerseys never came from a friend of Jeff's. I am blocking all of Chris's email addresses. I am not sure I even want to remain a member of game-used forums.

I think I am confused. Please help me here.

You paid $3275. for a jersey. The seller then admits that it's only valued at $1200. then you pay $1000 for a pair of batting gloves that you now feel are only worth $250 or so.....and you now want a refund?

If that is in deed the correct trail of events, why is your overpaying his problem?

I don't think I am seeing the logic here.

While I agree that some of the sellers documented practices are less than ethical and I personally would never buy from him....I don't see how your over paying for a jersey and a pair of batting gloves constitutes thievery by the seller (i.e several times you claimed you were ripped off).

It seems to me, now this is just my take on the situation, you feel you were duped and made a few overzealous, hasty purchases. While you have every right to be angry I think your anger is misplaced.

This falls under the "live and learn" category. I would chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned.

[frikativ54]

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Now, the only way Chris Boyd will refund the money is if it is done through the legal system. He says that fair market value for the jersey is $1200. And I paid $3275. He refuses to refund the money. What a fraud. He's now telling me that the jersey was from a friend of Jeff's in California, even though I have pictures from the guy in Colorado showing that those jerseys never came from a friend of Jeff's. I am blocking all of Chris's email addresses. I am not sure I even want to remain a member of game-used forums.

[Vintagedeputy]

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For $1000, I would have first asked for some photos of these well used, dipped in gold, diamond encrusted batting gloves.

[frikativ54]

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I think with game used "fair market value" is whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Sure Chris has done some unethical things in the past but if you agreed to pay those prices, the only one you can fault is yourself. Trust me Ive overpaid for stuff like all of us have. But I can only fault myself and if I didn't want it that bad I wouldn't have paid it.

I was naive and was misled. It won't happen again. But I just want to make other collectors aware of what Boyd's MO is so that they won't be ripped off too. Next time, I will do more research. I am not the only one who is unhappy. I have heard from no fewer than five collectors that are equally as unhappy. Yet - I can't feel angry at myself for being naive. I can only have compassion with myself and know that I made mistakes just like everybody else does.

-Frik

[BoneRubbedBat]

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fwiw, Bagwell gloves are one of the toughest items of Bagwell to obtain. A pair of his custom padded gloves with the hard plastic guard usually go for well over $500 here in Houston.

[cigarman44]

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Frik- "fair market value"... what does this even mean? All these game used items (and yes I spend my money on it also) are worth only what we are willing to pay for it. Those batting gloves don't carry a fair market value. Last time I checked used batting gloves are not a commodity. They carry probably a suggested retail price of $25.00, before they are used. If you paid $1,000 and you feel you overpaid, be pissed off at yourself and not who sold them to you.

I think with game used "fair market value" is whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Sure Chris has done some unethical things in the past but if you agreed to pay those prices, the only one you can fault is yourself. Trust me Ive overpaid for stuff like all of us have. But I can only fault myself and if I didn't want it that bad I wouldn't have paid it.

[frikativ54]

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Ive read the forms and the rip off site and was just amazed. I do really feel for you. It does sound like you've been ripped off. I always try to do research before I buy something game used.

Thanks Les, for watching out for people.

I appreciate your support. Hopefully, through these forums, we can make sure that dealers are held accountable for their actions. I will do more research in the future. All I can hope is that I have opened collectors eyes to the mendacity of some in the collecting world. Maybe the BBB will do something.

[jkalathas]

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Frik- "fair market value"... what does this even mean? All these game used items (and yes I spend my money on it also) are worth only what we are willing to pay for it. Those batting gloves don't carry a fair market value. Last time I checked used batting gloves are not a commodity. They carry probably a suggested retail price of $25.00, before they are used. If you paid $1,000 and you feel you overpaid, be pissed off at yourself and not who sold them to you.

[grenda12]

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Ive read the forms and the rip off site and was just amazed. I do really feel for you. It does sound like you've been ripped off. I always try to do research before I buy something game used.

Thanks Les, for watching out for people.

[frikativ54]

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Frik,
Did you research any past auctions of game used Bagwell items or previous sales of players of similar talent before purchasing those items? Where did those figures come from? $1k for batting gloves of a modern era star is absurd in my opinion.

I didn't know where to research them. I should have asked publically on Game Used Universe, but regardless of that, I was ripped off. Dealers should be more honest, and I am never going to do business with anyone who treats me like this again. It's not worth it. I've learned a very valuable lesson. But I stll think I am owed my money back, because I was led to believe that I was getting a jersey directly from Bagwell's friend with a perfect autograph at fair market value.

[b.heagy]

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Frik,
Did you research any past auctions of game used Bagwell items or previous sales of players of similar talent before purchasing those items? Where did those figures come from? $1k for batting gloves of a modern era star is absurd in my opinion.