What's the word on Manny Ramirez???

[suicide_squeeze]

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On another note did anyone notice Orlando Hudson is a Dodger now? It's going to be a good season.

WASN'T that something, FastLane80????

I'm counting the days......

[godwulf]

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On another note did anyone notice Orlando Hudson is a Dodger now? It's going to be a good season.

Yeah, don't rub it in - I just read that about ten minutes ago. O-Dog is an amazing player and one of the funniest human beings on the planet. I'd sure like to have him back.

[FastLane80]

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Boras has a law degree, but, interestingly, most player agents aren't lawyers.

Most of them are eithwer lawyers or former ball players. I have a friend that's an agent that needed a job after his arm gave out.


As far as other players being resentful towards Manny because he doesn't go to Spring Training...it seems to me like most of the players on the Dodgers are coming out and saying he was a great addition to the clubhouse. If I can recall correctly, I don't believe he has played much during ST in the past so it's not like it's something new. I think once the A-Roid things settles down and Boras can concentrate solely on Manny, something will get done.

On another note did anyone notice Orlando Hudson is a Dodger now? It's going to be a good season.

[frikativ54]

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While I'm not a Boras fan, I feel he must be doing something right as many of baseball's top players hire him as their agent. He typically gets the highest contract value for his clients. Think about it- he takes the criticism for the negotiations and seems to shield his clients from appearing greedy, etc... he doesn't seem to care what people think of him and in his business that's not really a bad thing. Boras may not be that different from most other agents- just higher profile. People may not agree with his tactics, but at the end of the day he's representing some of the best players in the game and signing them up for big money.
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I don't think it matters whom he is representing. The bottom line is that he comes upon his money in this life in an unethical manner - that is, bytalking out of both sides of his mouth.

At the end of the day, every man has to face himself in the mirror. And I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror every morning if I made money using Boras's modus operandi.

[kellsox]

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While I'm not a Boras fan, I feel he must be doing something right as many of baseball's top players hire him as their agent. He typically gets the highest contract value for his clients. Think about it- he takes the criticism for the negotiations and seems to shield his clients from appearing greedy, etc... he doesn't seem to care what people think of him and in his business that's not really a bad thing. Boras may not be that different from most other agents- just higher profile. People may not agree with his tactics, but at the end of the day he's representing some of the best players in the game and signing them up for big money.
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[skyking26]

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I say let manny sit. Who cares. Let's do a reality check. Why let this guy go against what we all know is a huge recession in America and think he is going to hold a gun to the highest bidder?

The Dodgers screwed up and should have realized this as soon as Abreu and Dunn signed. Nuff said.

[David]

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Boras has a law degree, but, interestingly, most player agents aren't lawyers.

[frikativ54]

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They didn't go to law school to learn to speak out of one side of their mouth!

That's so true. The last thing in life I have ever wanted to be is a lawyer. There are a few professions that are lower, but I'd risk suspension discussing them. Never thought too much of lawyers.

[Masimen]

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No - I didn't say no need to hire an agent. Agents can be very helpful and useful in negotiating stuff. What I have a problem with is the two-faced sophistry that passes for negotiation that Boras represents. Fair market value is one thing. It's just the absurd figures of Boras that I have a problem with.

I honestly know nothing about Barry Axelrod, except of course that he represented Jeff Bagwell. Care to clue me in?

People of course have the right to make money. But you have to use ethical means in so doing. And speaking out of both sides of your mouth during negotiations just to line your pockets is totally unethical.

They didn't go to law school to learn to speak out of one side of their mouth!

[frikativ54]

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Ok, one last thing here. No need to hire and Agent? If you are a pro ball player and you don't hire an agent you are doing yourself a huge disservice, unless of course you have a degree in contract law. Even your boy Bagwell has one of the biggest money agents on the business Barry Axlerod.

No - I didn't say no need to hire an agent. Agents can be very helpful and useful in negotiating stuff. What I have a problem with is the two-faced sophistry that passes for negotiation that Boras represents. Fair market value is one thing. It's just the absurd figures of Boras that I have a problem with.

I honestly know nothing about Barry Axelrod, except of course that he represented Jeff Bagwell. Care to clue me in?

People of course have the right to make money. But you have to use ethical means in so doing. And speaking out of both sides of your mouth during negotiations just to line your pockets is totally unethical.

[Masimen]

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Fair enough. But I immediately think less of any guy who uses Scott Boras. If you are a ballplayer, and you are talented enough, your stats will do the talking. No need to hire an agent to gouge your owner and put the fans through the stress of not being sure whether or not their star player is being signed.

Ok, one last thing here. No need to hire and Agent? If you are a pro ball player and you don't hire an agent you are doing yourself a huge disservice, unless of course you have a degree in contract law. Even your boy Bagwell has one of the biggest money agents on the business Barry Axlerod.

[frikativ54]

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Now that statement makes a lot more sense than your original one. I wasn't arguing with the merits of Scott Boris. I just didn't agree on how it was presented that the only way he can make money is to get rich off his clients. Profiting off your clients is how the world works. That is what Business is all about. Personally I think the guy represents a huge problem in baseball, but hat being said, if I was a player I would want to get every last dollar I could, and he seems to be the guy to go to. There in lies the rub.

Fair enough. But I immediately think less of any guy who uses Scott Boras. If you are a ballplayer, and you are talented enough, your stats will do the talking. No need to hire an agent to gouge your owner and put the fans through the stress of not being sure whether or not their star player is being signed.

[Masimen]

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Yeah, he has a "knack" for what he does, but I cannot stand his business ethics. If a player he represents is 18, fresh out of high school, he waxes sentimental about how he's the next A-Rod or Mays. How he's much better than that college guy who is 22, because he's a whooping four years younger than him. And think of his 20 years of MLB success.

Now, if he's representing a college kid, he'll boast about how much closer to the Bigs his kid is because he's so much more polished than the 18-year-old who is out of high school, and will take a few years to mature into a talent. But this college guy is a proven commodity! So - Boras will say. He's so much better than that 18-year-old, and he'll be ready for MLB action in 2010.

He is just a manipulative, sweet-talking salesman who is only after his big, fat wallet. I wish there were no place in the world for such sophistry. But sadly, those who manipulate owners and GMs have quite a home in baseball today. I have no respect for Scott Boras, and I never will.

Now that statement makes a lot more sense than your original one. I wasn't arguing with the merits of Scott Boris. I just didn't agree on how it was presented that the only way he can make money is to get rich off his clients. Profiting off your clients is how the world works. That is what Business is all about. Personally I think the guy represents a huge problem in baseball, but hat being said, if I was a player I would want to get every last dollar I could, and he seems to be the guy to go to. There in lies the rub.

[frikativ54]

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This is what he chose to do and he obviously has a knack for it. We may not like him, but we cannot begrudge him the living that he makes.

Yeah, he has a "knack" for what he does, but I cannot stand his business ethics. If a player he represents is 18, fresh out of high school, he waxes sentimental about how he's the next A-Rod or Mays. How he's much better than that college guy who is 22, because he's a whooping four years younger than him. And think of his 20 years of MLB success.

Now, if he's representing a college kid, he'll boast about how much closer to the Bigs his kid is because he's so much more polished than the 18-year-old who is out of high school, and will take a few years to mature into a talent. But this college guy is a proven commodity! So - Boras will say. He's so much better than that 18-year-old, and he'll be ready for MLB action in 2010.

He is just a manipulative, sweet-talking salesman who is only after his big, fat wallet. I wish there were no place in the world for such sophistry. But sadly, those who manipulate owners and GMs have quite a home in baseball today. I have no respect for Scott Boras, and I never will.

[chakes89]

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It's not like were talking about Joe Blow from AAA or some hot shot minor league prospect,

IT'S MANNY FREAKING RAMIREZ!

500 HRs, Future HOF, Carried the Dodgers on his back to the playoffs


He is above every player on the Dodgers roster at this moment so what anyone else thinks about the situation is null and void because the Dodgers need him to do anything productive this season

Manny knows that, The Dodgers know that and The players know that