O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

[cohibasmoker]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

Michael Vick served more than enough time for Gambling.He was never convicted of anything to do with dogs or fighting.Its time to give him another chance with either the UFL or NFL.

Michael Vick plead guilty to a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge. He later plead guilty to State charges.

Here are some links to the Federal Charges;

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/sports/usvick71707ind.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/27/michael.vick/index.html

Here is a link to the State Charges;

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2008/11/vick-pleads-guilty-to-state-charge.html

Jim

[ChrisWinsalways]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

Michael Vick served more than enough time for Gambling.He was never convicted of anything to do with dogs or fighting.Its time to give him another chance with either the UFL or NFL.

[cohibasmoker]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

There is a difference between the crimes that Rose and Vick committed. One issue they both shared was "intent" and as such, they knew what they were doing.

Rose - mala prohibita
Vick - mala en se

Jim

[LastingsMilledge85]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

If Vick wants to rise to stardom, he will join the USFL.

Meant UFL

[sylbry]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

He deserves the same mercy those innocent dogs were given when they were shot, hanged, drowned and electrocuted. If I had any say in his punishment, he would rot in prison.

I say the same thing about doctors who perform partial birth abortion and that is legal. But that is a topic not meant for this board.

[sylbry]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

I find it troubling that people think that there are much worse crimes than what Michael Vick did. The only fair punishment would have been to ban him from football for lifetime. By allowing someone as criminal as Vick, who drowned and electrocuted innocent dogs, back into the NFL, it is a public relations nightmare. The NFL would do a lot to improve its image if it would take the moral high ground on people like Vick and Pacman Jones, who are a blight upon the reputation of the sport.

I find it troubling that people won't give another person a second chance after they served their time for the crime. The NFL isn't giving him a job, rather they are not preventing him from seeking a job. Big difference. As Helen mentioned, maybe no team will give him an offer.

[Capital-Sports]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

I seriously doubt many of those old timers were choir-boys off the field. Nobody was in a fishbowl back then, and human-nature being what it is, the temptations would have been too overwhelming. And they were further insulated by the press if treated well by the player. So, if you omitted stars based on moral ethics as you would today, you'd have (conservatively) maybe 75% left in the Hall? I mean, c'mon. These were grown men with appetites who traveled from city to city without a moral compass.

Very true. The media plays a HUGE role in society today.
Imagine if Ty Cobb did the things he did back then today

Rose deserves to be in the HOF...hands down. thats it. no coaching, assisting....just reinstated for the HOF.

Stallworth......think about M.A.D.D. and then you'll know where I stand.

Vick....think about your own dog and you'll know where I stand.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

These were grown men with appetites who traveled from city to city without a moral compass.

[bucephalus]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

I seriously doubt many of those old timers were choir-boys off the field. Nobody was in a fishbowl back then, and human-nature being what it is, the temptations would have been too overwhelming. And they were further insulated by the press if treated well by the player. So, if you omitted stars based on moral ethics as you would today, you'd have (conservatively) maybe 75% left in the Hall? I mean, c'mon. These were grown men with appetites who traveled from city to city without a moral compass.

[LastingsMilledge85]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

If Vick wants to rise to stardom, he will join the USFL.

[tacprc]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

Rose is the greatest! Put him in the Hall.

[frikativ54]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

I couldn't agree more with JHunt and the Stallworth comment! This guy smokes some weed, drinks, drives and kills a human, and gets 30 days. Un-freakin'-believable!

The difference is in the intent. Drunk drivers don't intend to kill anyone; they are making a stupid decision. Michael Vick is a cold-blooded dog killer. Correspond with a few prisoners; there is a huge difference between a person who intentionally murders vs. a person who drives drunk and incidentally kills. A good percentage of killers are monsters; drunk drivers are negligent.

[fabes23]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

I couldn't agree more with JHunt and the Stallworth comment! This guy smokes some weed, drinks, drives and kills a human, and gets 30 days. Un-freakin'-believable!

[NYCrulesU]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

Reds fans can rejoice the Rose talk! I would put him in the hall as a player, and just not allow him to ever manage again.

I would agree with this. He should be in as a player, but never allowed to manage again.

[Capital-Sports]

Re: O/T: Vick is in, Rose maybe - This is a Bad Day

Rose deserves to be in the hall.

Vick playing in the NFL again....well that's another story.