Joe Girardi

[suave1477]

Re: Joe Girardi

Suave, please explain how Girardi keeps the Yankees from scoring runs in a game they ought to win 10-2 when they are actually tied 2-2. The only way I can see that happening would be constantly trying to steal bases and being thrown out or keeping the hitters on the take sign all game. Where I hear mangers being criticized for losing games it is usually in the handling of the pitching as happened yesterday in the 11th. A manager might make a few decisions regarding the offense as to whether to sacrifice or start a runner, but there aren't that many. For the most part hitting is hitting . The player either does or he doesn't. I know your example was an exaggeration, but how is Girardi keeping the Yankees from scoring a ton or runs.

As you said I was exaggerating to make a point. As far as the managers input is more involved into the pitching than hitting your right but remember there is a 162 games so where he may have bad input on pitching in lets say 20 games which is not much compared to a season, it is enough. Let's say for hitting purposes he gives bad input to 5 to 10 games. That is not alot but it all adds up.

As far as Girardi's effect on the hitting, there was plenty of times when games were close that could of been blown open and instead of Girardi putting in a more likely hitter, he sticks in a Hairston, a Gardner, or someone with a lesser chance of making a difference in that moment.

Or when a hitter she go balls out and hit, he makes them bunt or vice versa.

You say well he is going according to the stat book, that is all fine and dandy but sometimes you have to play the odds, sometimes you have to play who is hot. sometimes you have to play on gut feeling.
Which is what makes you a great Manager.
Personally I think 2 managers who are good with instinct and gut feeling is Scoscia and Francona, yes Francona uses a Math Anlayst but he himself has said he goes against even the Analyst sometimes with his gut feeling.

Girardi doesn't seem to have that or the common sense for instinct.

This is just my opinion as everyone here is welcome to there own. I am just responding on a question asked to me.


(Prime example - Last nights game as I mentioned before with Gardner. If you want to put Gardner in and take Hideki out ok fine I can live with that. But having Gardner steal was dumb. We were down one run and your trying to get a runner over so your putting your fastest or most publicized fasted guy on base. (DING DONG ANYONE HOME???) The Angels know this and expect it is utmost certain Gardner is going to try to steal. So they pay very little attention to Posada to pitch too and pitch out to nail Gardner. Did they do just that? YEP. I saw it coming from a mile away. The smarter thing would of been to put Gardner in to keep the pitcher on his toes/distracted to Gardner might try to steal. But don't let Gardner steal. Posada hits Home Run game over Yankees win!!)

[cjclong]

Re: Joe Girardi

Suave, please explain how Girardi keeps the Yankees from scoring runs in a game they ought to win 10-2 when they are actually tied 2-2. The only way I can see that happening would be constantly trying to steal bases and being thrown out or keeping the hitters on the take sign all game. Where I hear mangers being criticized for losing games it is usually in the handling of the pitching as happened yesterday in the 11th. A manager might make a few decisions regarding the offense as to whether to sacrifice or start a runner, but there aren't that many. For the most part hitting is hitting . The player either does or he doesn't. I know your example was an exaggeration, but how is Girardi keeping the Yankees from scoring a ton or runs.

[larry bourget]

Re: Joe Girardi

I would have had Eric Hinske on the Roster, ....Hits with Power, can play 1st, 3rd, OF, DH, and has suprising speed for his size.,..... and left Gardner,Hairston, or Guzman off,......i think Hinske looks a lot better than Melky right now also.

I think this Chess match series will come down to a Homer Series, Last Raps Win.

LB

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: Joe Girardi

If they Yankees had won, peopke would have said that Joe was a genius.

He went with the scouting report. No fault there. Its not like when Grady Little asked Pedro how he was feeling!

[yanks12025]

Re: Joe Girardi

Anyone think they will sit Nick swisher tonight, he is bad. Could not even hit a fly ball to score a run instead strikesout every bat almost.

[suave1477]

Re: Joe Girardi

XPRESS you have all valid points.

The only problem is you mention Girardi got us to the Post Season. Actually no he didn't, the players did. If anything as I mentioned before Girardi made it harder to get to the post season.

As I mentioned would probably could of easily had another 10 wins if not more in the wins column if not for Girardi.

No I am not syaing to fire every manager who makes a bad decsion or losses a game or loses a WS.
But when your not only playing the opposing but your own manager for the bad calls he is making consistantly, it starts to wear on your nerves.

To be honest with you, you even mentioned some of my favorite managers that I would take any day over Girardi.
Scoscia, Torre, Leyland, Larussa, Maddon. All these guys have made bad mistakes at some point but it's a matter of how you come back from those mistakes.

Girardi doesn't.

For example
If we are playing a team that is a no brainer win for the Yankees and we should be blowing them out 10 - 2.
Girardi because of bad descisions will have it at a 2 - 2 game going into the 9th and we may get lucky and get the win in the 10th or 11th.

Sure we won the game, but it hurts the team in many ways. You burn through your bullpen, You lose the morale of the players, The players may lose trust in the manager and not to mention the players them selves get tired for constantly playing into extra innings.

So you can all say I am whining, but it gets nerve wrecking when you have a win or an easy win in front of you and your manager is turning it into a struggle and a potential loss.

[cjclong]

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First, I think Girardi made a mistake bringing in Aceves and even in the games he won I have wondered about letting a reliever who seems to be throwing well pitch to only one or two batters. That said, its funny how New York fans, and I am one, say the sky is falling whenever anything goes wrong. As just one example look at all the comments from the fans about how Mariano Rivera was finished when he got off to slow starts the last couple of years. We blame the manager, and correctly when some move goes wrong. But again, the players have to produce. Girardi went out and talked to Pettite before Vlad hit the home run. I wasn't on the mound, but I'm sure he stressed to Pettite not to make a bad pitch, which Pettite promptly did. No home run and Yankees probably win.

[karamaxjoe]

Re: Joe Girardi

You know, I don't usually post negative comments here, but I have to agree - stop your whining!!!

Based on what all of the 'so called' Yankees fans are bitching about here, every manager that calls a bad game should be FIRED.

Not like Girardi got the Yankees to the Post Season or anything... oh wait, that's right, HE DID.

I guess the Rockies should can Jim Tracy too??? He only turned the franchise around and got them to the Post Season, but because of some bad calls by him (I can name them if you want) the Rox made a quick exit, so yeah, he should be fired too.

If the Dodgers fall to the Phils, let's can Torre, the Cards should can LaRussa since they lost to the Dodgers, the Red Sox should can Francona, etc, etc... and whoever loses the WS should can their manager as well?!?!

What a freakin' bunch of Prima Donnas!!! It's because of so called 'fans' like you guys that I can't stand the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc - big market, big money teams that act like they are above everyone else.

I'm sure I'll get hell for my post, but it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

- Chris

Nice post Chris. I couldn't have said it better. Game four should be a lot of fun!

[skyking26]

Re: Joe Girardi

Oh, and one more thing - the Manager (Girardi or whoever) generally make their choices based on the numbers and such at their disposal...

Ultimately, it's the PLAYERS who are making MULTI MILLIONS who are to blame for under performing...

Do you Yankees fans want to jettison Joba and every other player who didn't perform??? I'm sure not...

Just like for the Rockies - who had games 3 and 4 at Coors Field... BOTH of those games were BLOWN by Huston Street in the bottom of the 9th... but I guarantee you the Rockies 'nation' will want Street and Tracy back next year...

- Chris

Express has points here. Mgrs are to blame of course (I blame LeLand much for the 09 collapse @ Det); but the players failures are most to blame here. Joba started the decent and it went from there, but so far I've heard just about every other name spoken...

[xpress34]

Re: Joe Girardi

Oh, and one more thing - the Manager (Girardi or whoever) generally make their choices based on the numbers and such at their disposal...

Ultimately, it's the PLAYERS who are making MULTI MILLIONS who are to blame for under performing...

Do you Yankees fans want to jettison Joba and every other player who didn't perform??? I'm sure not...

Just like for the Rockies - who had games 3 and 4 at Coors Field... BOTH of those games were BLOWN by Huston Street in the bottom of the 9th... but I guarantee you the Rockies 'nation' will want Street and Tracy back next year...

- Chris

[xpress34]

Re: Joe Girardi

You know, I don't usually post negative comments here, but I have to agree - stop your whining!!!

Based on what all of the 'so called' Yankees fans are bitching about here, every manager that calls a bad game should be FIRED.

Not like Girardi got the Yankees to the Post Season or anything... oh wait, that's right, HE DID.

I guess the Rockies should can Jim Tracy too??? He only turned the franchise around and got them to the Post Season, but because of some bad calls by him (I can name them if you want) the Rox made a quick exit, so yeah, he should be fired too.

If the Dodgers fall to the Phils, let's can Torre, the Cards should can LaRussa since they lost to the Dodgers, the Red Sox should can Francona, etc, etc... and whoever loses the WS should can their manager as well?!?!

What a freakin' bunch of Prima Donnas!!! It's because of so called 'fans' like you guys that I can't stand the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc - big market, big money teams that act like they are above everyone else.

I'm sure I'll get hell for my post, but it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

- Chris

[Rob L]

Re: Joe Girardi

Look, stop whining. The Yanks will be ok. We Angels fans just got lucky today when they brought in Fuentes. By far the worst closer in baseball. I unfortunately still think the Yanks will take the Angels.

[LastingsMilledge85]

Re: Joe Girardi

Well, unfortunately if you're a Yankee (which is unfortunate enough ) Girardi will be back at least another season regardless. Should of stuck with the other Joe, but that's the Steinbrenner's and the back stabbing organization. In the end, the Yanks will end up in the World Series, but it will be no easy task for Girardi if they want to beat the Phillies who are playing near perfect baseball like last postseason (I smell repeat, unfortunately).

[suave1477]

Re: Joe Girardi

Nobody mentions Joba Chamberlain here.... In my mind the game went to hell when they handed him the ball................

Skyking you know what your right I did forget to mention Joba, Girardi made so many mistakes this game I actually lost count lol lol

To Lastings as far as I am concerned I am not making a quick opinion I am calling it as I see it which is how he played the game. Which were obvious wrong choices. Not to mention I particular was never a happy camper with the way Girardi managed the team through out the regular season.

He made obvious bad choice's through out the season. We probably would of had another 10 games or more in the wins column if it wasn't for Girardi.

Now you may say no big deal we still won games and were still a strong enough team. But in my mind he has turned easy no brainer wins, into 9th inning struggles.

Case in point this game, which we did not end up being the victor!!

[flaco1801]

Re: Joe Girardi

awful job of managing... i would have let riviera hit and pitch 1 more inning.. he had 1 pitcher left had the game gone on...amazing with a staff of 12? he burned the dh and he would have pitchers hit anyway...like i always said, even the torre years many could manage that team with all the talent they buy... i think jeter is one of the best clutch players i ever saw, he simply is a great ball player first ballot hall of famer... just a class ball player...