OT-A broken hearted Dodger fans reflections on another unfulfilled season...

[thomecollector]

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Frik,
I apologize for the cheetos remark. I think it is a bit over the top to keep throwing out the sexist,pity card, however. I don't recall saying anything of the sort. Now, back to the Thome thing. Jim has played for some good teams in the past. But, he wasn't able to acquire a ring. When the Sox approached him about the Dodgers trade , he had very little time to decide. He was on the fence. But
his team mates talked him into it. Knowing that He may never get another shot. If you were him. Wouldn't you want that chance? Yes!
Jim is one of the most stand up guys in baseball. For you to talk smack is hilarious. He never asked to be traded.....period.

[frikativ54]

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frik,

there are no sexist comments thrown your way, ever. If so, please point them out. I don't think you'll find any directed at you. You really should lighten up about that.

What I do find interesting is your sense of righteousness on issues, which by the way I often agree with, while all the time idolizing Jeff Bagwell.

I understand that you have met him, and have a genuine liking for the guy, and therefore have collected his stuff. But it's no secret that he was one of the biggest steroid abusers in the game. In fact, his use appears to have very well added to his early exit from the severe deterioration in his shoulder of all of his connective tissues.

You can certainly speak your mind here, but just try to keep it in perspective. As a Bagwell fan, you just might come off as insincere, otherwise.

I agree with you that Bagwell was likely a steroid user - he, along with the other 79.99% of big-leaguers. There's no way that he got to look like he did without the juice. Plus, look at how skinny Bagwell is now, proving that his body-build is naturally nowhere near the way he looked in the steroid-era.

Plus, Bagwell admitted to using andro back in 1998. But taking the era he played in as a whole, I am still a Bagwell fan, given that his likely steroid use was no different from what his peers were doing. However, that doesn't mean that I condone steroids, and I really wish that Bagwell would have played the game clean.

As for my comments about Thome, I have always liked him as a player, but I believe it's cheap to win a ring based upon pinch-hitting for a team down the stretch. That's just my opinion.

Do I think that Thome is a great player? Of course. Do I find his team-hopping to contenders a little self-serving? Without a doubt. I think we can have disagreements about ballplayers, and keep those issues to baseball.

[bigtime59]

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Relief pitching is the bain of ever fan's existence. If John Smoltz didn't decide to force the issue to become a starting pitcher again, the Braves would have won some of the seemingly 150 blown saves they have had in the last 5 years. I still want to punch Chris Reitsma and Dan Kolb in the nuts.

On the flip side, if the Braves had Mariano Rivera, they would have beaten the Yanks in 96, 98 and 99 and shut down the Mets in 2000 and beat the Yanks again. In other words, a closer is the difference between the Braves lone 95 World Series and 5 titles in 6 years! The Yanks are the team of the 90's ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR CLOSER. Otherwise, the Atlanta Braves are a DYNASTY.

Ask a Mets fan how losing their closer affected them in 2007 and 2008. I know K-Rod and Putz are thrilled they were overpaid for it.

In conclusion, with the exception of the 2001 World Series, Mariano Rivera was the single greatest reason for the Yankees record since 1996 when he was the setup guy for John Wetteland. Talk all you want about the greatness of the Capt., the heart of ONeill and the talent of Tino, Mo is the difference between a team that played in 5 World Series and a team that won 4 of 5.

The Braves did the hardest part...14 consecutive times...without outspending the league by an absurd amount. They were a dynasty, despite the paucity of WS trophies.
The Yankee$ were the "team of the 90s" only because George III was sent on an 18-month vacation (otherwise known as his second "lifetime ban" from MLB) and Bob Watson and Gene Michael drafted and traded incredibly well.

[suicide_squeeze]

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We can disagree, but why do differences of opinion have to warrant ad hominem attacks?

I don't hate Thome; I just think his pursuit of a ring is a bit cheap and is unwarranted.[/quote]

frik,

there are no sexist comments thrown your way, ever. If so, please point them out. I don't think you'll find any directed at you. You really should lighten up about that.

What I do find interesting is your sense of righteousness on issues, which by the way I often agree with, while all the time idolizing Jeff Bagwell.

I understand that you have met him, and have a genuine liking for the guy, and therefore have collected his stuff. But it's no secret that he was one of the biggest steroid abusers in the game. In fact, his use appears to have very well added to his early exit from the severe deterioration in his shoulder of all of his connective tissues.

You can certainly speak your mind here, but just try to keep it in perspective. As a Bagwell fan, you just might come off as insincere, otherwise.

[grenda12]

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We can disagree, but why do differences of opinion have to warrant ad hominem attacks?

I don't hate Thome; I just think his pursuit of a ring is a bit cheap and is unwarranted.

Dont start with the health and sexiest issues. If you dont want someone to come back at you for the comments you make, dont post it. Simple as that. Learn to ignore it.

[frikativ54]

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We can disagree, but why do differences of opinion have to warrant ad hominem attacks?

I don't hate Thome; I just think his pursuit of a ring is a bit cheap and is unwarranted.

[thomecollector]

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Wow.....frik......what the fruk?

You're too young to be so filled with anger and venom. Relax, Jim Thome is a decent guy. Can't blame him for taking a shot?

In fact, I would think most who understand the players and their ego's would say this was a sign of just how decent this guy is. He knew his "stats" would take a hit....albeit a small one in regards to less at bats, thereby less career home run opportunities.....but it didn't keep him from making a move to try to be on a winner. That says SOMETHING for the guy, doesn't it? He wasn't ALL about himself and his stats, right?

You can't blame the guy for trying to win a World Series for Christsake? I mean, he was fooled like we all were that this was the Dodgers year......

If you really want to bash someone, please, bash Jonathan Broxton. He deserves it!!!

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[suicide_squeeze]

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Thome's the last person I feel sorry for. Earn a ring by playing on the team the whole year...I am glad he didn't get his cheap excuse of a ring this year. After all, he didn't earn it, and just because you play the game of baseball, does not mean that you automatically deserve a ring. The only ring Thome deserves is on his telephone!

Wow.....frik......what the fruk?

You're too young to be so filled with anger and venom. Relax, Jim Thome is a decent guy. Can't blame him for taking a shot?

In fact, I would think most who understand the players and their ego's would say this was a sign of just how decent this guy is. He knew his "stats" would take a hit....albeit a small one in regards to less at bats, thereby less career home run opportunities.....but it didn't keep him from making a move to try to be on a winner. That says SOMETHING for the guy, doesn't it? He wasn't ALL about himself and his stats, right?

You can't blame the guy for trying to win a World Series for Christsake? I mean, he was fooled like we all were that this was the Dodgers year......

If you really want to bash someone, please, bash Jonathan Broxton. He deserves it!!!

[frikativ54]

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If anyone I truly feel sorry for is Thome.

Thome's the last person I feel sorry for. Earn a ring by playing on the team the whole year...I am glad he didn't get his cheap excuse of a ring this year. After all, he didn't earn it, and just because you play the game of baseball, does not mean that you automatically deserve a ring. The only ring Thome deserves is on his telephone!

[skyking26]

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If anyone I truly feel sorry for is Thome.

The whole trade was not one well thought out. Thome had 30 minutes to decide. He just wanted another chance to win so he took it... Going to a team in the NL, sitting on the pine to PH was a worthless investment by the Dodgers and served no purpose.


Hopefully Jim can sign with a AL contender like Detroit, MN, etc who could use his stick as a DH. As he put it, he can't field at all - so AL and DH is all there is left before a logical managing career. I think he's a given there...

[suicide_squeeze]

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Suicide- I hear you on the season. I am not a fan but I was rooting for the Dodgers this year. If my team isn't in the playoffs its nice to root for new teams that haven't won in a while. I work with a Dodger fan who was bummed. The reason why, in my humble opinion the Doders lost was starting pitching. Not going to argue with you on Broxton. He didn't do well either. The Dodgers did have the tools to go all the way, but their pitching is nothing compared to the Phils. Point blank period.

Aaron

Aaron,

I hear ya brotha, and pitching is the reason they're done, no doubt.

But that's why, even more than EVER, when the ball is handed to that big fat slob who fooled everyone into believing he should be an ALL-STAR for Christ'sake......I mean......HE'S GOT TO GET IT DONE!!! When the season is on the line, and they hand it to him, and they say "Here, MONGO.....EAT!!!".....He's GOT to show some friggin LIFE!!!!

Maybe, as Totte or that Joke of a pitching coach Honeycutt walks off the mound, just before leaving, they should turn around and hurl a 2 x 4 into the back of the lunch-cases hammy, or in the shins......you know, PISS HIM OFF!!! MAKE HIM MAD!!! Maybe THEN, he could close it out when it matters most.

Christ, I'm exhausted. The whole year is feeling like it's on my back, and I just want to get it off of me.



F YOU, Broxton......"F" you!!!!

Signed, the city of L.A.

[suicide_squeeze]

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Tough finish and looking ahead will be tough considering your owner is going through a divorce that may push the purse strings as it did from 2008 to 2009.

Second, I was not impressed by Torre. Actually outside of his years with the Yankees, what has Torre ever done with his teams? Look at his record. In his 15 seasons managing teams until he got the Yankees job, Torre never won a playoff game. In his 1st 15 years of managing, he only had 5 winning seasons and NEVER won 90 games in a season until the Yankees.

Torre should kiss the ground that Steinbrenner walks on for the opportunity he was given and thank his lucky stars again for getting the helm of the Dodgers.

Like Grenda said, I feel sorry for Thome!

Andrew,

You hit on the second most accurate reason the Dodgers are done. But, if Broxton wasn't such a LOSER, we would have been handed a loss anyway somewhere down the line because of some pitching change Torre would have made at the wrong time.

You see, the difference between Torre and a guy like Lasorda....is.....well, a world of difference. Torre is mindless, no feeling.....by-the-book.

Lasorda is a genius.....a TRUE baseball mind......someone who can draw from the "GUT" when it matters, and has INSTINCTS to do the right thing because his HEART tells him "DO IT!" He doesn't resort to the "easy way out" and do what every manager would do in the same situation......no, if his heart tells him to put in a guy with two bad wheels because he has the GUTS to go with his instincts.....he DOES it.

Torre? Pfffffftttttttttttt! And a stinky one at that. He sits there in the Dugout, looking like someone just told him his 401K has dropped 60%. He makes me SICK! He's a WEAK manager!!!

The dude sucked his whole managing career, until (like gingi79 correctly stated) he was handed a great team who could win no matter what, and the greatest closer in the history of the game. His 4 rings were nothing more than a GIFT handed to the manager of the team......it could have been the most dysfunctional manager in the game, and he would have won the 4 rings for nothing more than looking at the scoreboard and saying..."Oh, look, it's the ninth, bring in Mariano!"

With the Dodgers, it's like Torre's got a new girl in his hand every song at the prom. I can't think of more than a three game run where this TURD Torre didn't change the line-up.

Matt kemp batted in EVERY SINGLE position in the line-up this year, except ninth. Andre Ethier hit in second, third, forth, fifth, and six positions this year, AND was benched for two straight games when he was in a minor slump. Russell Martin hit in the lead-off position, second, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth places. Casey Blake also was positioned as "Flavor of the day" in 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th places this season. My man Loney.....same thing. He occupied third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh over the dance to October.

I mean.....are you f&%king KIDDING ME??? PICK a GALL DARN LINE UP Joe, and let the dudes PLAY! Let them get COMFORTABLE with their spots, and gel as a team. Don't make them feel like every game they are faced with a tiny little embarrassing "demotion" in the line-up because they're 1-for-12 in the last three games!! They are PRO'S JOE......and it's high time you start treating them like so you ass!

When you talk about the Phillies.....and you throw a NAME out there, you can automatically (without any brain-strain) assign their batting order position like it was second nature......

HOWARD......clean-up!

ROLLINS.......lead-off....

UTLEY.........third

WERTH........five-hole

FELIZ..........8th man

THE CRAZY HAWAIIAN........SECOND!!!!!


Are you getting the PICTURE Torre? The team is SET......The players know their PLACE on the team, in the order, and they can concentrate on what's important......WINNING!!!!

Charlie Manuel is about the closest thing to a retarded manager as one could find, and the dude is probably going to be wearing at LEAST two fat rings by the time he is put out to graze the hillsides. He is Torre #2 in the great land of "gift" managerialships.

Good for you, Charlie, you illiterate dumb ass!!! Take the ride as long as they'll have your mumbling drunken delivery.

Life is amazing................and God has made me pay somewhere for being a Dodger fan! What did I do wrong??

Maybe God, with a little help from Coletti and "The cheating McCourts reality show" money will buy us some pitching........AND A REAL CLOSER!!!! ........and he'll allow us off of our hands and knees once again.

[whatupyos]

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Suicide- I hear you on the season. I am not a fan but I was rooting for the Dodgers this year. If my team isn't in the playoffs its nice to root for new teams that haven't won in a while. I work with a Dodger fan who was bummed. The reason why, in my humble opinion the Doders lost was starting pitching. Not going to argue with you on Broxton. He didn't do well either. The Dodgers did have the tools to go all the way, but their pitching is nothing compared to the Phils. Point blank period.

Aaron

[suicide_squeeze]

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Relief pitching is the bain of ever fan's existence. If John Smoltz didn't decide to force the issue to become a starting pitcher again, the Braves would have won some of the seemingly 150 blown saves they have had in the last 5 years. I still want to punch Chris Reitsma and Dan Kolb in the nuts.

On the flip side, if the Braves had Mariano Rivera, they would have beaten the Yanks in 96, 98 and 99 and shut down the Mets in 2000 and beat the Yanks again. In other words, a closer is the difference between the Braves lone 95 World Series and 5 titles in 6 years! The Yanks are the team of the 90's ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR CLOSER. Otherwise, the Atlanta Braves are a DYNASTY.

Ask a Mets fan how losing their closer affected them in 2007 and 2008. I know K-Rod and Putz are thrilled they were overpaid for it.

In conclusion, with the exception of the 2001 World Series, Mariano Rivera was the single greatest reason for the Yankees record since 1996 when he was the setup guy for John Wetteland. Talk all you want about the greatness of the Capt., the heart of ONeill and the talent of Tino, Mo is the difference between a team that played in 5 World Series and a team that won 4 of 5.

Outstanding post, and I agree 100%.

[suicide_squeeze]

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SS -

How do you think the Rockies fans felt about Houston Street??? We had Phillies # in Games 3 and 4 and should have won the series at home...

We were in the lead in BOTH games in the 9th and Street blew not ONE, but TWO games in a row for the Rockies and we end up losing the series at home.

- Chris

I agree.....But the Rockies still would have had to get through the Dodgers, and that wouldn't have happened.

I guess we all need to maybe realize just how GOOD this Phillies team really is? Maybe.....10 years from now we'll all look back, and say "That team was a dynasty."

Well, maybe you guys will. As a Dodger fan, I'm sure I will be dead of a heart attack by then.