OT: 30 for 30 on ESPN: "Without Bias"

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It's genetics, not character, that determines drug use/abuse. Talk to former addicts and you will find out. Many are good people that did things that led to horrible outcomes. I always feel badly when people die...even if it's due to drugs.

I do too. I feel badly. I really do.

But I can't find myself asking "Why?" Or thinking how tragic it was.....how unbelievable it must be for the family.....how terrible it is for the fans who lost a star.......when that person of interest took drugs which caused the disaster.

It's old news. Figure it OUT already. Drugs kill users, not "genetics". Len Bias' heart didn't stop because of "genetics".

Just like accidents kill. Not lack of "warning labels". Somewhere in time we lost our strength as a society to accept the pitfalls in life, and we started turning our sorrows to expensive attorneys who have f'ed up our entire existences. We have sacrificed "responsibility" with "judgements". Great. Nice.

And you all wonder why paying for insurance has become burdensome?

Figure it out, society, before it's too late. It's old already.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Best emoticon. Ever

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All I am saying is that I am sick and tired of this liberal attitude, saturated in society, that is ruining the world we live in. And that's coming from a guy who is NOT that conservative. I am a middle of the roader.

You're not that conservative?!?!

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Anyone who dies from a drug overdose, or any kind of complication from one, well.........I could care less. One less human being the world does not need around.

Yeah, he probably would've been great.......but does that really matter? He didn't have character strong enough to stay away from being a loser drug user??? When he had the world on a string? No, I'm sorry....no sympathy from me.

It's genetics, not character, that determines drug use/abuse. Talk to former addicts and you will find out. Many are good people that did things that led to horrible outcomes. I always feel badly when people die...even if it's due to drugs.

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GREAT piece on Len Bias.

I was 11 when Bias died and it was a talking point for parents and teachers alike. By all accounts, he was a terrific kid outside of being the best basketball player in the country at the time (even in some eyes better than Jordan).

Some guys have one night stands and get AIDS, some drink and drive...and some smoke rocks. Bias was really just a young naive kid who made some terrible decisions.

His legacy is that coaches across the country STILL talk about Len Bias and what could have been...it's a valuable 'real life' lesson for all kids and some adults.

I was nearly in tears when his best friends spoke about him.

Thanks for a sensible and well expressed post. And you hit the nail on the head.....it was a painful "life lesson".

But how many "life Lessons" do we all need to be exposed to OVER and OVER and OVER again before the words get through?

Here ya go, people.....coming from the evil bad heartless duschebag drama queen (what have I forgotten.........) forum member....

IF you WANT TO DO DRUGS........it will ALL END BADLY. You will join the ranks of somewhere along the line, and lose everything, maybe even your LIFE.



Now, Nate......where's the bong party tonight? I'll bring the lighter.....

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GREAT piece on Len Bias.

I was 11 when Bias died and it was a talking point for parents and teachers alike. By all accounts, he was a terrific kid outside of being the best basketball player in the country at the time (even in some eyes better than Jordan).

Some guys have one night stands and get AIDS, some drink and drive...and some smoke rocks. Bias was really just a young naive kid who made some terrible decisions.

His legacy is that coaches across the country STILL talk about Len Bias and what could have been...it's a valuable 'real life' lesson for all kids and some adults.

I was nearly in tears when his best friends spoke about him.

Dave gets it...

[bigtruck260]

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GREAT piece on Len Bias.

I was 11 when Bias died and it was a talking point for parents and teachers alike. By all accounts, he was a terrific kid outside of being the best basketball player in the country at the time (even in some eyes better than Jordan).

Some guys have one night stands and get AIDS, some drink and drive...and some smoke rocks. Bias was really just a young naive kid who made some terrible decisions.

His legacy is that coaches across the country STILL talk about Len Bias and what could have been...it's a valuable 'real life' lesson for all kids and some adults.

I was nearly in tears when his best friends spoke about him.

[Dewey2007]

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The 30 for 30 documentary series on ESPN has been awesome. The subject matter has been great: Gretzky to the Kings, USFL, Ali vs. Holmes, Len Bias, etc. These are must see documentaries if you are a sports fan. A lot of these topics I was aware of, but really too young to have any kind of real knowledge of them. I would suggest catching these docs when they are on, very well done!!!

I agree. I watched the Ali/Holmes one as well last night and it was great. The footage they had was amazing. I'm definitely looking forward to more of the 30 for 30 series.

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Thanks for posting the schedule, missed Bias, want to DVR it. Saw the Ali one and it was excellent. The footage they're getting is amazing...

And, without getting too involved: Growing up in Mass and being a kid when he died, Bias was definitely a tragic figure. He was seen as the great hope for the Celtics, the one who would lead them on into the '90s... A big part of the tragedy was the shock of going to bed excited one night that he was coming to Boston and wake up two days later to hear he was dead. I was 10, a big Celtics fan, and it rocked my world. Certainly the most shocking sports death in Mass, ironically followed closely by Reggie Lewis' death in 1993. From my POV, both of those deaths are the ones I remember the most in sports since I was in the community affected by them at the time.

I just checked my local television schedule and the Len Bias episode replays at these times:

Sunday, November 8 at 9pm on ESPN Classic
Monday, November 9 at 7pm on ESPN2

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I'm not sure where or if you can watch these online, but here is the schedule: http://30for30.espn.com/

Thanks for posting the schedule, missed Bias, want to DVR it. Saw the Ali one and it was excellent. The footage they're getting is amazing...

And, without getting too involved: Growing up in Mass and being a kid when he died, Bias was definitely a tragic figure. He was seen as the great hope for the Celtics, the one who would lead them on into the '90s... A big part of the tragedy was the shock of going to bed excited one night that he was coming to Boston and wake up two days later to hear he was dead. I was 10, a big Celtics fan, and it rocked my world. Certainly the most shocking sports death in Mass, ironically followed closely by Reggie Lewis' death in 1993. From my POV, both of those deaths are the ones I remember the most in sports since I was in the community affected by them at the time.

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Can one watch these online at ESPN?

Was hoping to catch the Terry Fox episode, but not even sure if it's been shown yet.

I'm not sure where or if you can watch these online, but here is the schedule: http://30for30.espn.com/

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Seriously??? You're kidding right? Have you ever had a family member die, no matter what the cause was? Obviously not I guess.

You guys are a trip.

I used your quote, Nate, because you are the the latest and quickest to jump on me when I post. Whatever turns your screws, partner.

Look, where did I ever say a youth gone bad with drugs doesn't deserve a life after rehab??

All I am saying is that I am sick and tired of this liberal attitude, saturated in society, that is ruining the world we live in. And that's coming from a guy who is NOT that conservative. I am a middle of the roader.

But there is one thing I have NO patience for.....and that's weak individuals who are drug users. I mean, my GOD, that's like talking about drunk driving. It's 2009 people.....HELLO! If you haven't figured out drugs do damage and kill.....then you're not paying attention. They also cause shoplifting, ruin homes, families, turn users into murderers......and on and on and on.

Did I do recreational drugs when I was in high school. Yeah, I smoked some pot and drank at parties with my friends. Occasionally. But I was into my life, my girlfriend, my sports. I had a life. I wasn't about to "F" it up because some scumbag walked up to me at a party, who wanted me to become hooked on whatever he was selling so I would buy from him on a regular basis. I would just as soon enjoy watching that kind of a guy step off a curb in front of a RTD bus.....if you catch my drift. Sorry, I was smarter than that.

But as I type this, I can honestly say that I have never done cocaine, or any of these other sick designer drugs. And I have absolutely NO sympathy for anyone who has died from choosing to put that crap in their body.

If you guys have a problem with that, then that's O.K. Nowhere did I ever say we had to agree on this. And I would never impose my will on anyone....except my kids. I won't let them kill themselves because of weak character. Or stupidity from being a drug-using scumbag.

Len Bias had the whole world....a guaranteed HUGE contract, and the NBA writers just waiting to write his life out. And he ended it because he was a drug user. If you guys can't see the problem with that, I can't help you. Was it tragic? Of course. Was it dignified? NO. It's the way LOSERS die.

Am I cold hearted? Not in the least. I just call the shots the way I see them. And even though I have no reason to apologize to any of you who see it differently, I will. I am sorry I share a different opinion on this than you do. But maybe if more of us felt the way I DO about it, and we cared more for eachother and didn't passively allow our children to participate in something as blatantly STUPID as putting powerful physiologically-altering and impairing DRUGS in their body for recreational stimulation......than we would have HAD Len Bias around for you all to enjoy.

The guy didn't have enough in life to look forward to, so he took drugs??? And DIED?

And I'm a cold hearted SOB???

Wow.

You guys need to maybe take a bit of inventory in your own lives. Sounds like a few of you have been fortunate enough to dodge a few bullets on your way to growing up. Congrats.

Now go look after your children. You never know when the next Len Bias may emerge.

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The 30 for 30 documentary series on ESPN has been awesome. The subject matter has been great: Gretzky to the Kings, USFL, Ali vs. Holmes, Len Bias, etc.

Can one watch these online at ESPN?

Was hoping to catch the Terry Fox episode, but not even sure if it's been shown yet.

[mbrieve]

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The 30 for 30 documentary series on ESPN has been awesome. The subject matter has been great: Gretzky to the Kings, USFL, Ali vs. Holmes, Len Bias, etc. These are must see documentaries if you are a sports fan. A lot of these topics I was aware of, but really too young to have any kind of real knowledge of them. I would suggest catching these docs when they are on, very well done!!!