Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

[David]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

One thing to remember about the designated hitter position is that no fielding is still better than bad fielding. It could be argued that Edgar Martinez' fielding at DH was often better than Manny Ramirez' in the outfield.

[STLHAMMER32]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

Speaking of upcoming Hall eligibles, how about Jeff Bagwell? 2300 plus hits, 1500 plus runs, 488 2bs, 449 hrs, 1500 plus RBIs, .297 BA, 4 all star games, Rookie of the Year, one MVP, one Gold Golve, 3 Silver Sluggers. He also led the league in runs three times and won an RBI title. The media has him pegged as a hall of famer, but what do the people on here think? I would personally vote no but I am a tough critic.

Bagwell is in to me, there might be some steroid controversy down the road that could affect the outcome maybe even for Edgar it's tough to tell....if palmeiro did it anybody could have.

but even if he did I am not one to keep a guy out for it, it was an era with a problem but that is for another debate.looking at Bags....

Once again good numbers but not numbers that you would look at and go "HALL OF FAME NUMBERS"! like the big milestone 3000 hit club 500 hr club..

That being said 1 hr shy of 450 hr's and a few shy of 500 doubles while hitting almost .297...very good.

He was a rookie of the year and an MVP which adds some very nice credentials. Throw in a Gold Glove as well that just adds to the resume...he was well liked by teammates and has loyal fans, stayed with one organization his whole career which is just another plus.

I like the case for Bagwell, not a no brainer necessarily but when you look at his body of work nobody could be mad about him getting voted in. Bagwell is a YESS!

[Chris78]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

Roberto Alomar and Barry Larkin should get in before Edgar Martinez. I am not sure any will be first ballot though, but based on position Larkin probably has the best chance with Alomar a close second. Both Martinez and McGriff should remain on the ballot as well.

Dawson and Blyleven both might make it this year.

Chris

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

This is the worst stretch of players up for the Hall of Fame probably ever....

I have been a supporter of Andre Dawson even as a Cardinal fan if he cant make it in now there is a serious serious problem....PUT IN THE HAWK~!

AMEN! Preach it, brother!!

Dave M.
Chicago area

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

I don't care what anybody says, I will always believe Edgar is HOF worthy. If you look at the company he shares regarding players with at least 2,000 hits, 300 home runs, a BA over .300, OBP over .400, and SLG over .500 - He is clearly good enough.

If a player like Travis Jackson can get in then Edgar should get in. Hell players get in for having great defense and not good offense. Edgar is one of the best hitters in the game. It's just too bad he didn't start his MLB career at age 23 like most others. Then there wouldn't be as many naysayers and he probably would have spent more of his career as a position player.

If he does not get in now, he will withint the 2nd and 3rd try. The DH award is and always will be named after him.

Not to say anything about Edgar's chances, but can you please please PLEASE not take one of the 5 worst mistakes in the HOF and use him to promote your guy. If Travis Jackson is the standard, then about 1/4 of all Major League players get in, and then we rename it the "Hall of Good Players."

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[jbsportstuff]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

I think that Larkin has the best chance of the new HOF candidates.

12x All Star Selection
3x Gold Glove winner
9x Silver Slugger Winner
1995 MVP
1993 Clemente award winner
1994 Gehrig award winner
He also won a World series

Member of the 30/30 club
2,340 hits
.295 lifetime batting average
379 stolen bases
198 HR
960 RBI's

All as a Shortstop...These numbers are very similar to Sandberg...who is a HOFer


He's definetly worthy....

[brianborsch]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

I don't care what anybody says, I will always believe Edgar is HOF worthy. If you look at the company he shares regarding players with at least 2,000 hits, 300 home runs, a BA over .300, OBP over .400, and SLG over .500 - He is clearly good enough.

If a player like Travis Jackson can get in then Edgar should get in. Hell players get in for having great defense and not good offense. Edgar is one of the best hitters in the game. It's just too bad he didn't start his MLB career at age 23 like most others. Then there wouldn't be as many naysayers and he probably would have spent more of his career as a position player.

If he does not get in now, he will withint the 2nd and 3rd try. The DH award is and always will be named after him.

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

Speaking of upcoming Hall eligibles, how about Jeff Bagwell? 2300 plus hits, 1500 plus runs, 488 2bs, 449 hrs, 1500 plus RBIs, .297 BA, 4 all star games, Rookie of the Year, one MVP, one Gold Golve, 3 Silver Sluggers. He also led the league in runs three times and won an RBI title. The media has him pegged as a hall of famer, but what do the people on here think? I would personally vote no but I am a tough critic.

[STLHAMMER32]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

This is the worst stretch of players up for the Hall of Fame probably ever....

I have been a supporter of Andre Dawson even as a Cardinal fan if he cant make it in now there is a serious serious problem....PUT IN THE HAWK~!

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

Edgar makes it? I guess then we'll have to make room for Jeromy Burnitz.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[BoneRubbedBat]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

Here is a numbers comparison of four different DH's.

1. .289 BA 2866 Hits 384 HR's 488 2B's 1628 RBI's
2. .312 BA 2247 Hits 309 HR's 514 2B's 1261 RBI's
3. .260 BA 2135 Hits 338 HR's 366 2B's 1276 RBI's
4. .274 BA 2380 Hits 350 HR's 424 2B's 1372 RBI's














1. Harold Baines
2. Edgar Martinez
3. Don Baylor
4. Chili Davis

....and Baines only got 5.9% of the vote in 2009.

[BoneRubbedBat]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

Here is the list of upcoming candidates:

2010: Roberto Alomar, Kevin Appier, Andy Ashby, Dave Burba, Ellis Burks, Andres Galarraga, Pat Hentgen, Mike Jackson, Eric Karros, Ray Lankford, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Mark McLemore, Shane Reynolds, David Segui, Robin Ventura, Fernando Vina, Todd Zeile

2011: Jeff Bagwell, Rafael Palmeiro, John Olerud, Kevin Brown, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez, Tino Martinez, B.J. Surhoff, Marquis Grissom, John Franco, Bret Boone, Al Leiter, Benito Santiago, Carlos Baerga, Raul Mondesi, Bobby Higginson, Wilson Alvarez, Rey Sanchez, Charles Johnson, Jose Offerman, Ugueth Urbina, Ismael Valdez, Dan Wilson, Paul Quantrill, Cal Eldred, Kirk Rueter, Steve Reed

2012: Edgardo Alfonzo, Pedro Astacio, David Bell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Scott Erickson, Carl Everett, Jeff Fassero, Alex S. Gonzalez, Danny Graves, Rick Helling, Dustin Hermanson, Jose Hernandez, Brian Jordan, Matt Lawton, Javy Lopez, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Nelson, Phil Nevin, Brad Radke, Joe Randa, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Jose Vizcaino, Bernie Williams, Eric Young

2013: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker

2014: Moises Alou, Armando Benitez, Sean Casey, Jose Cruz Jr., Ray Durham, Damion Easley, Jim Edmonds, Keith Foulke, Eric Gagne, Tom Glavine, Luis Gonzalez, Mark Grudzielanek, Scott Hatteberg, Jacque Jones, Todd Jones, Jeff Kent, Jon Lieber, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Lo Duca, Greg Maddux, Matt Morris, Mike Mussina, Trot Nixon, Hideo Nomo, Jay Payton, Kenny Rogers, Richie Sexson, J.T. Snow, Shannon Stewart, Frank Thomas, Mike Timlin, Steve Trachsel, Jose Vidro


Looking at these lists of candidates, there are very few that pop out as an immediate "yes." Some are tainted by confirmed/suspected steroid use, some just borderline candidates, and most just aren't remotely worthy. I don't see a single candidate on the 2010 thru 2012 lists that is Hall-worthy. Nobody in those three years worth of voting reached any magic milestones other than Palmeiro, and he was someone that actually tested positive for 'roids, not just suspected of using. 2013 should be a very interesting voting year.

[MarinersFan34]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

Not that it matters much now, but should MLB change the DH award to the Paul Molitor Award? I mean, he was a DH for a good portion of his career and is in the HOF. If Edgar isn't hall worthy now or in the future, why name an award after someone so mediocre?

[STLHAMMER32]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

This is a nice write up, I just don't see the immediate yes with him...For instance Look at alomar's numbers...10 Gold Gloves, 500+Doubles, 80 Triples, 200+ hrs, .300 lifetime batting average coming from a 2nd Baseman! These are similar to Edgars and Alomar played second base for petesake and at a gold glove level. Edgar compares well to Will clark or a John Olerud type...good players, but Hall of Fame?? I'm really not understanding how anyone could say an immediate yes to him.

Alomar and Dawson are players that will fight to get in and Ive gone over there numbers... shown how not only did they have very good numbers but also played defense at gold glove levels year in and year out.

He could "sneak" in someday but to even mention first ballot is a far stretch from reality.

[flaco1801]

Re: Edgar Martinez Designated for the HALL???

he was a great ball player... i wish i saw more of him (being a national league fan).. hard working... no steroids (i hope).. he deserves serious consideration.. dont think he makes in right away, but hopefully he will. its a great honor to be elected, but i think they earned a good living, and fan recognition is just as important.. i wont lose sleep.