Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

This whole thread is a joke.....There is no argument here...if someone posts an item as real and you have proof that it is not real you should let them know immediately via the thread they posted and why...you could be saving them money plus educating others si they don't make the same mistake.....once they get over the shock they'll be thankful for it and move on...

Dave

Pre-banisment......That's probably the way I would have put it.

[CollectGU]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

Just wondering what everybody's opinion is on this subject.

If you see something in the monthly pick-ups thread that you know is "not legit" and you have proof is it OK to point that said item out ?

FOR THE RECORD I think it is if you can back it up.

This whole thread is a joke.....There is no argument here...if someone posts an item as real and you have proof that it is not real you should let them know immediately via the thread they posted and why...you could be saving them money plus educating others si they don't make the same mistake.....once they get over the shock they'll be thankful for it and move on...

Dave

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Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I'm a little late to this party, as I have been on vacation ......but something I read here deeply disturbs me. Most of the posts have covered all the important aspects of the meaning of this site and how it relates directly with the subject of this thread. But gang, any one of us should understand.....if you hang your underwear out to dry where everyone can see it.....don't take offense to a few wolf whistles.

As a collector, the day I don't want to know one of the items I purchased or won is a fake, is the day I need to have someone tie me up, liquidate my intire collection, hand me the funds, and demand me to find a new hobby. It is simply not OK to have fake items in one's collection. Sooner or later, it will be exposed.

The sooner it is exposed, the more of a chance you have to rectify it. And sharing the experience is what this is all about. I agree with the private contact vs. just throwing it out here, as we have all seen that some members "can't handle the truth". And that's OK, we are all individuals so there is nothing "wrong" with that.

But somehow, some way.....you GOTTA know. We wouldn't be fellow collectors looking out for eachother if we didn't help eachother when it matters most.

We ALL have gotten taken one time or another in our collecting....it's inevitable.

My last comment is this: It is my opinion that the more people that are exposed to an item that turns out "bad", there is a multiple effect of benefit.

-There will be tremendous pressure for the sellor (auction house, dealer, etc.) to refund your money because failure to do so would severly damage their reputation.

-Additionally, the item would then be on record as being "bad" and at least be removed from circulation amongst the folks who share here. We can't protect everyone once an item is found to be fradulent, but we can protect ourselves.

-And in the end, since there would be a record of the item, with pictures and explanations of why it's bad, it helps to rid the hobby of a bad item making the "rounds" to one unknowing collector to the other.


Peace, joba, just a friendly offering.....all I'm asking is for you to think about it. Wouldn't you want to have the opportunity to get your money back because of the help of a fellow forum member who gave you that exact opportunity? God knows I've been there, done that. That's called "experience". And most of the time, in this business, it's the awful kind that teaches you the most.

[NYCrulesU]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

It's a forum. Don't post the item if you don't want feedback of a certain nature. The forum is meant to educate not to coddle certain individuals.

Anthony

My point exactly, summed up nice and tidy. Thank you.

[metsbats]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I posted one of my Ed Hearn Royals road jerseys on a thread a couple of years ago and KingJammy (Rudy) informed me that the NOB lettering was the incorrect font and the Number on back "7" was missing the footing.

I really appreciated to know that as I didn't realize that my jersey was not what I thought it was. I personally would not mind anything which may be bad in my possession to pointed out in public. It not only educates me but all the rest of the us at the same time.

Given the purpose this forum exists I would be disappointed if something like that was not caught and even more disappointed if it was known and was never pointed out to me.

[karamaxjoe]

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It's all about how you talk to people.

If you come off as helpful with excellent facts and you're not insulting someone along with the piece of memorabilia, no one should be upset if you post your findings.

If you can't handle that approach, you shouldn't be on a public forum.

[TriplexXxSports]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

Seriously, Triple-X, I think your approach is a solid one. People should be made aware if they've been duped, but to turn in into a pissing match on this forum does more harm than good.

Dave M.
Chicago area

Thanks yo. Its just common courtesy. I know I would be contacted first.

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

+1

I am in favor of e-mailing them, or at least contact them about their item in a polite and professional manner.

Then it can be decided by the parties involved if they feel it should be brought public in order to 'educate' the forum.

We all know that at times this place is like throwing raw steak to the Lions....

Seriously, Triple-X, I think your approach is a solid one. People should be made aware if they've been duped, but to turn in into a pissing match on this forum does more harm than good.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[sox83cubs84]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

+1

I am in favor of e-mailing them, or at least contact them about their item in a polite and professional manner.

Then it can be decided by the parties involved if they feel it should be brought public in order to 'educate' the forum.

We all know that at times this place is like throwing raw steak to the Lions....

Certainly not the Detroit Lions...even our Bears beat them twice.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[CampWest]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I think any seriously questionable item... whether posted in Monthly Pick-ups, Auction Items, Classifieds, or anywhere for that matter... Should be questioned and researched fully and PUBLICLY. Shouldn't one of our collective goals be to minimize fraudulent items? I'm not saying we should police the hobby, but when we see something we know is wrong, lets try to prevent current and future issues with buying and selling fake items.

I would support public identification and discussion if an item is grossly misrepresented.

[tbone90]

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I love the game of baseball and I love collecting. Because of that sometimes my excitement gets the best of me and I may not do as much homework as I should on a purchase (I am getting better). I'm an enthusiast though, not an expert. That's why I joined GUU; to share, learn and grow with and from others in the hobby.

If someone has proof positive that one of my items is fake PLEASE let me know so I could try and correct the situation with a refund. Of course there is a right and wrong way to approach such a subject too. If it's done respectfully I have no issue with it being brough up. This is a public forum after all.

[Game Used Bats]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

It's a forum. Don't post the item if you don't want feedback of a certain nature. The forum is meant to educate not to coddle certain individuals.

Anthony

[legaleagle92481]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I think that it is important to privately bring it up to the other person and state your reasons behind it. Just because we post on a forum does not make us experts necessairly and anyone can be duped and by letting the person know they have the chance to question the item further if they so choose by maybe posting and asking for the opinion of the forum and/or sending it to Mears or another trusted game used authenticator to look at and then if they feel that they are not comfortable with the item's authenticity possibly returning it and getting their money back. The closer it is to when you bought an item the easier it is to get your money back usually so it could be a tremendous benefit. Yes someone might take it the wrong way but who cares it is the Internet the vast majority of us are very, very unlikely to ever come into contact with each other in the real world and if you get a nasty email back just ignore it. The way I look at it is I would want to know if it were me with an item that was questionable so I would defintely inform someone else if I thought they had a questionable item.

[gingi79]

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I think the real issue is that people feel attacked for posting something when it's authenticity is brought into question. It sometimes seems like some posters act like my students running to me and tattletailing:

"Mr. N, Bobby is a big fat stupid liar with fake toys" and then turning around to Bobby and saying "Nanny Nanny Foo Foo"

I'll write this publicly. If I ever post something and you have questions about it's authenticity, please post them. I find starting a sentance with, "Hey Matt, I don't think your shirt looks right buddy. Let me tell you why" leads me to believe you are more interested in enhancing my collection and keeping me away from those who would sell me bogus stuff than saying "Your crap is bogus garbage, dumbass!"

[LastingsMilledge85]

Re: Monthly Pick-Ups Ethical To Mention a Fake Item Posted

I don't really see much harm in publically stating it, plus wouldn't it be useful in case if the forum member tried to sell it to another forum member or elsewhere after knowing it was fake?