Another juicer........

[10thMan]

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No surprise here...I'll say it again. In 1998 when CBS (locally) interviewed Tony Gwynn, they prodded him about PED's. The reporter repeatedly asked him how many players use, he kept shrugging. The reporter asked for percentages, again Gwynn shrugged. The reporter asked "would you say a lot of players" "Give me a percentage" Then the reporter asked if it was "50%" Gwynn said "most of them"

[yanks12025]

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Well looks like Braun may be caught again with his name in the books of the Miami person.

[happyyoungster]

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Braun will never fully shake this rap...

Failed drug test aside, as a Brewers fan, I'm just glad he'll be there Opening Day so the Brewers can compete for the Division.
Plus, I'm anxious to see how he handles the pressure all season long.

[CampWest]

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Maybe I am behind schedule... but I just read this and am a bit shocked... So, Braun got off because there is no mailing location open? Seriously? Wow... Corruption? Conspiracy? Coincidence that he is the franchise player in the commissioner's home town?

yeesh...

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7637613/chicago-cubs-players-praise-support-ryan-braun-collector

The legal team for the Milwaukee Brewers outfielder and NL MVP argued in a grievance hearing that the sample collector, Dino Laurenzi Jr., did not follow the procedures specified in baseball's drug agreement, which states the urine sample should be taken to a FedEx office on the day it is collected "absent unusual circumstances." Arbitrator Shyam Das last week overturned Braun's positive test, freeing Braun of his suspension.
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Laurenzi issued a statement Tuesday defending his actions, saying he never tampered with the urine sample. Laurenzi collected the sample from Braun on Oct. 1, a Saturday, and said he placed it in a Rubbermaid container in his basement office because "there was no FedEx office located within 50 miles of Miller Park that would ship packages that day or Sunday." Laurenzi took it to FedEx on Monday.

[CampWest]

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The story keeps evolving... Interesting feedback from Braun's peers.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=olney_buster&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2fblog%3fname%3dolney_buster

TAMPA, Fla. -- Imagine the player who won his appeal of a positive drug test last week was named John Doe, or Ray Kinsella, or Crash Davis. Because there's something that we've learned about this generation of players that really doesn't have anything to do with Ryan Braun or Dino Laurenzi or Shyam Das.


After a week of talking with players around baseball on background, and the agents and executives and managers who speak with them, this fact is evident: There are a lot of players who are furious about last week's decision.


"It's a joke," said one longtime National Leaguer.


"This really hurts," said one pitcher.


They are not mad at the fact that they are subject to drug testing. They aren't complaining about Big Brother. They aren't mad at Major League Baseball.


They are furious that a player who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs won by challenging the administration of his test rather than contesting the presence of synthetic testosterone in the urine. (Although we haven't seen the official written decision from the arbitrator.)


I'm guessing I've had 30 to 40 conversations with different folks around the sport, a small sample for sure. But a decade ago you might have found three or four players among those 40 who criticized a fellow player.
Rather, the vast majority would've recited the strong words from their union meetings about their privacy rights, about the pitfalls of testing, about how any suggestion of drug testing by the owners was really designed to undermine their livelihood.


But if this recent straw poll of players is a proper reflection of the union as a whole, there has been a dramatic shift of thought among the brethren.

I'm guessing 80 to 90 percent of the players I spoke with expressed dissatisfaction with the outcome of last week's case, in varying degrees. Some agents and executives say they've drawn the same responses in their conversations with players.


For a lot of the players -- most of whom have been subject to testing since they first played in professional baseball -- the peers who choose to take performance-enhancing drugs are viewed as a significant threat.

[happyyoungster]

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I'm selling the batting gloves to make more room for more of the MVP. I hope his stuff gets cheaper so I can buy it. Everyone hate on him please.

My sentiments exactly...

[jjkraner]

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I'm selling the batting gloves to make more room for more of the MVP. I hope his stuff gets cheaper so I can buy it. Everyone hate on him please.

[happyyoungster]

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And the court of public opinion is the most powerful of all, so he has been sullied even though he got off on a technicality and his memorablia willikely take a hit based on public opinion...

I have to agree with you, there.

[CollectGU]

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I'm not sure what that comparison has to do with anything related to a failed drug test?? But, your example (while a bit to the extreme) does reinforce my original point...
We can think what we wanna think. But, the fact remains: we'll never know.
For the record-I never said Braun was innocent. Hell, how would I or anyone else know what he took or did not take? All I know is that the star of my favorite baseball team will be in the opening day lineup...period.

And the court of public opinion is the most powerful of all, so he has been sullied even though he got off on a technicality and his memorablia willikely take a hit based on public opinion...

[happyyoungster]

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I assume you believe that OJ Simpson was innocent too??

I'm not sure what that comparison has to do with anything related to a failed drug test?? But, your example (while a bit to the extreme) does reinforce my original point...
We can think what we wanna think. But, the fact remains: we'll never know.
For the record-I never said Braun was innocent. Hell, how would I or anyone else know what he took or did not take? All I know is that the star of my favorite baseball team will be in the opening day lineup...period.

[CollectGU]

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You are certainly entitled to your doubts.
Actually, this whole thing is no different than someone who is taken into police custody and not processed/questioned properly. In turn, the charges are dismissed on a technicality. No one ever knows but the parties involved. As for the rest of us? We take it as it is.

I assume you believe that OJ Simpson was innocent too??

[happyyoungster]

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he fleeced a 3rd party "neutral" person. I still have my doubts and apparently so does MLB



Major League Baseball Executive Vice President for Labor Relations Rob Manfred issued the following statement today:

“Major League Baseball considers the obligations of the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program essential to the integrity of our game, our Clubs and all of the players who take the field. It has always been Major League Baseball’s position that no matter who tests positive, we will exhaust all avenues in pursuit of the appropriate discipline. We have been true to that position in every instance, because baseball fans deserve nothing less.

“As a part of our drug testing program, the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association agreed to a neutral third party review for instances that are under dispute. While we have always respected that process, Major League Baseball vehemently disagrees with the decision rendered today by arbitrator Shyam Das.”

You are certainly entitled to your doubts.
Actually, this whole thing is no different than someone who is taken into police custody and not processed/questioned properly. In turn, the charges are dismissed on a technicality. No one ever knows but the parties involved. As for the rest of us? We take it as it is.

[OaklandAsFan]

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he fleeced a 3rd party "neutral" person. I still have my doubts and apparently so does MLB



Major League Baseball Executive Vice President for Labor Relations Rob Manfred issued the following statement today:

“Major League Baseball considers the obligations of the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program essential to the integrity of our game, our Clubs and all of the players who take the field. It has always been Major League Baseball’s position that no matter who tests positive, we will exhaust all avenues in pursuit of the appropriate discipline. We have been true to that position in every instance, because baseball fans deserve nothing less.

“As a part of our drug testing program, the Commissioner’s Office and the Players Association agreed to a neutral third party review for instances that are under dispute. While we have always respected that process, Major League Baseball vehemently disagrees with the decision rendered today by arbitrator Shyam Das.”

[happyyoungster]

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This is why people shouldn't jump to judgment...

Go have another MVP year, Braunie!!

[Titans74]

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But then why do you think Bryce Harper should be investigated for steroids if, "you don't care anymore?"

I guess my sarcasm towards his big, square jaw (a common sign of steroid use) and even bigger douche attitude escaped you.

And I suppose I have to repeat myself. I don't care anymore about steroid use or PED's. I do care about players poor attitudes. Especially ones that haven't accomplished squat but think they are superstars.

So yes, I hope Harper fails miserably and winds up one of MLB's bigger busts.