NCAA's Poor Leadership

[metsbats]

Re: NCAA's Poor Leadership

Closing this now as it was on a short leash anyway.

Thanks for the feedback.

[philliephyl]

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ncaa has way overstepped their bounds. for many many yrs they have stayed out of handing out violations when a criminal situation is involved because they say the courts will handle it.
They have a long history of keeping their hands off. last yr notre dame players rape a girl and threaten her if she goes to the cops. she ended up committing suicide. ncaa said they had no jurisdiction.
also at notre dame was the outdoor practice on a windy day and one of the student managers fell off the skeleton lift thingy and died. the coach said first priority is getting the team ready for saturday, then he said it was safety. after a couple days he switched his remarks. but ncaa said they couldn't get involved.
baylor bball in the early 200's, one player kills another player and the coach tells the players to lie to the cops about it. ncaa says they have no jurisdiction.
cam newton's dad offers to sell his son to mississppi state. ncaa doesn't punish anyone because there were no rules in place forbidding that.
I'm not saying anyone of these things is worse than the other or how it compares with what sandusky did. all are horrible situations.

one of the issues was giving one or a couple men to much power. so the board of the ncaa gave all of the power to emeritt. and used every bit of his power.


a point on sandusky's retirement package. he was given that package before the charges were brought up. charges brought up but never charged. then he retired. there was no reason to alter anything. then after the 01 incident joe said he didn't want jerry in the football bldg, but was told by the board he didn't have that authority.

[Chris78]

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I'm not opposed to closing this thread, but there are a couple of very general issues that have been created anew by NCAA's actions:

1) PRECEDENT: Although the NCAA justified its actions by the word "unprecedented", their very actions have now created a precedent that may prove untenable over the long term. The NCAA has now extended its prerogatives far beyond its traditional role of assuring fair play on the field; and thus given themselves almost unlimited power to act to any extent they wish, whenever legal issues of any kind arise anywhere. I see this as a poorly-thought out action they may regret in time, for it could probably receive a strong legal challenge.

2) REWRITING HISTORY: The vacating of over 100 wins is a paper exercise that ignores the fact that those games were won by hundreds of hard-working athletes. Now, nobody's records anywhere will ever be secure, as NCAA has shown that it observes no statute of limitations on rewriting history at will.

In fact, vacating wins only confuses a historical record that will probably remain intact without regard to the NCAA's retroactive changing of results attained for many years back. I cannot see other colleges revising their media guides en masse to change their losses to Penn State into wins, anymore than I can MLB vacating tainted HR records, or the games those tainted HR's helped to win.

Thank you for your comments. It is related to what I am saying/thinking since last Monday. I also feel this way with any college and not just Penn State.

I also agree with the comment by trying to put the blame on a dead man. If I am not mistaken, Joe Paterno was never charged in the cover up.

Time will only tell on how this all plays out. I personally feel that the title I placed on my thread "NCAA's Poor Leadership" is going to be the end result. The NCAA is abusing their power. Keep in mind, two people at Penn State face charges and have not even gone to court yet.

[cohibasmoker]

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I find the entire case interesting;

1) In 1998, the sexual abuse case was reported to the Police by Paterno and school officials and the case taken to the Grand jury. The Grand Jury (NOT PENN STATE) found there was NOT enough evidence and the case was thrown out.

2) In 1999, even though the case was dismissed, Penn State released the predator from Penn State.

3) There are claims that there was a massive cover-up. If there was such a cover-up, why weren't any school "academics" charged in the cover-up? I think an appropriate charge would be conspiracy.

4) I find it convenient that most of the blame was put on the dead guy. NICE

Just some thoughts,

Jim

As a follow-up, below is a link to the Board of Directors for Division 1 of the NCAA. Note the members official duties

http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=BOARD

[coxfan]

Re: NCAA's Poor Leadership

I'm not opposed to closing this thread, but there are a couple of very general issues that have been created anew by NCAA's actions:

1) PRECEDENT: Although the NCAA justified its actions by the word "unprecedented", their very actions have now created a precedent that may prove untenable over the long term. The NCAA has now extended its prerogatives far beyond its traditional role of assuring fair play on the field; and thus given themselves almost unlimited power to act to any extent they wish, whenever legal issues of any kind arise anywhere. I see this as a poorly-thought out action they may regret in time, for it could probably receive a strong legal challenge.

2) REWRITING HISTORY: The vacating of over 100 wins is a paper exercise that ignores the fact that those games were won by hundreds of hard-working athletes. Now, nobody's records anywhere will ever be secure, as NCAA has shown that it observes no statute of limitations on rewriting history at will.

In fact, vacating wins only confuses a historical record that will probably remain intact without regard to the NCAA's retroactive changing of results attained for many years back. I cannot see other colleges revising their media guides en masse to change their losses to Penn State into wins, anymore than I can MLB vacating tainted HR records, or the games those tainted HR's helped to win.

[cohibasmoker]

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I find the entire case interesting;

1) In 1998, the sexual abuse case was reported to the Police by Paterno and school officials and the case taken to the Grand jury. The Grand Jury (NOT PENN STATE) found there was NOT enough evidence and the case was thrown out.

2) In 1999, even though the case was dismissed, Penn State released the predator from Penn State.

3) There are claims that there was a massive cover-up. If there was such a cover-up, why weren't any school "academics" charged in the cover-up? I think an appropriate charge would be conspiracy.

4) I find it convenient that most of the blame was put on the dead guy. NICE

Just some thoughts,

Jim

[halzeus]

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The OP provided his opinion and others have provided their opposing viewpoints.

This is one of those topics that will never end.

Please close this thread. Thank you.

[rufusandherschel]

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Guys,

The Moderators have received a complaint about the content of this thread. We were considering closing it but decided to leave it open for constructive discussion/debate. However please be sensitive that there may be folks reading this who are or were associated with PSU so please frame your discussions with this in mind.

If we feel things get too heated or off topic we will lock the thread.

Thanks
David

Time to shut this thread down (as I thought Moderator Mike Specht previously had done).

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Chris,

In my humble opinion, I think you should let this thread end. This topic is barely about sports and not at all about game used memorabilia. One old dirtbag ruined the lives of many people.
The Penn State football players who stand by their team and play this season are heroes. Be proud of that.

[Chris78]

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By the way, Mike McQueary should have just gone to the police when he saw the incident.

I have read lots of different opinions that are all over the place from this board to the newspapers and beyond. The reality is too many people will be affected by the NCAA decision in my opinion. I would like to hear why this is not going to happen.

Chris

[metsbats]

Re: NCAA's Poor Leadership

Guys,

The Moderators have received a complaint about the content of this thread. We were considering closing it but decided to leave it open for constructive discussion/debate. However please be sensitive that there may be folks reading this who are or were associated with PSU so please frame your discussions with this in mind.

If we feel things get too heated or off topic we will lock the thread.

Thanks
David

[gingi79]

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$60 million fine is an estimated loss of three seasons revenue. That means the football team generates $20 million A YEAR. No one on this website can possibly be naive enough to think staying quiet wasn't a monetary decision.

Colleges like this can preach academic integrity until they are blue in the face but you are kidding yourself if you think any school doesn't hold athtletics and the income therefrom above all else. PSU fans whose noses have been so far up in the air that they spray the ceiling when sneezing just got gut-punched. That pious attitude and swagger just dissolved into thin air like a stale fart.

[David]

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I'll add that I did go to a Big 10 school and do follow their sports teams, but still think the size and influence of sports in universities can be ridiculous.

And P.s. my college has an excellent football team Regularly one of the best in the conference.

[David]

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If you honestly care about the current and future students' welfare, hope Penn States shifts the power to academics. Because when a Penn State student applies to medical school, the medical schools are going to care about the academic standing of the university and not how many football games it won.

[David]

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It's a university for learning, not a semi-pro football team. Penn State had a culture where football was more important than academics and the football coach was revered as a demi-God. This was the cause of the scandal and every student and fan contributed to this culture.

If the university is about academics, then it's a good thing the power of football team has been scaled back. Alumni who care about academics should support this. They should be glad. And alumni who want the old Paterno balance of power care about football, not academics.

Hurting the students? Far from it. Scaling back the football teams power, helps student, now and in the future.

It's a scandal that football can have so much power and sway at any university. It's not just a Pen State thing.

Do you ever wonder why Cal Tech and MIT don't have Division I football teams, even when each school has a larger endowment than Penn State, Alabama or LSU? It's because they see their mission as, *gasp*, educating students.