Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
Totally agree.
Don Mattingly's disgrace
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
Some of Stengel's Yankee players have been critical of him in various ways. And when Stengel managed the Boston Braves in 1943, he was hit by a car at the start of the season. As a result he missed the first few weeks before he recovered enough to return to the dugout. One Boston writer rudely recommended the car's driver for Boston's "Sportsman of the Year".
When Stengel testified before Congress during his Yankee years, his Stengelese was incomprehensible to the solons. So when Mantle said " My opinions are the same as Casey's" a congressman replied: " Thank you, Mr. Mantle. Would you be so good as to explain what Casey's opinions are?"Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
And then he finished with four 10th place finishes with the Mets. So call me crazy but I think Mantle, Berra, Ford and that bunch had something to do with Stengel being in the Hall as a manager.Leave a comment:
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These discussions remind me of what someone said of Casey Stengel: "I knew Casey both before and after he was a genius." Stengel was a consistently unsuccessful manager before being hired by the Yankees.Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
I have a question I would like to hear some opinions on. I'm a White Sox fan and I would like to know if the game relies on the manager so much how the hell did the sox win in 2005? Was Ozzie a good manager for a year and then just unbelievably bad the rest of his career?Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
I have a question I would like to hear some opinions on. I'm a White Sox fan and I would like to know if the game relies on the manager so much how the hell did the sox win in 2005? Was Ozzie a good manager for a year and then just unbelievably bad the rest of his career?Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
Roady,
No chip on my shoulder, just living through the pain of being a Dodger fan.
Curious: Who's your team? Short of you being a Cubs fan, or maybe an Orioles fan (they've been starving for success for awhile now too), maybe you can sympathize it's been 26 years since the Dodgers have held up the trophy. Add to that we all feel we have a team that could and should be there at the end, and someone has to start looking at the reasons why we're failing.
I simply believe that the most obvious reason is our manager. I've witnessed his sheer stupidity on numerous occasions. There's just no getting around it.
Uh, HELLOOOO!! Indians fan here, I wish I'd seen a trophy hoisted 26 years ago.Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
Roady,
No chip on my shoulder, just living through the pain of being a Dodger fan.
Curious: Who's your team? Short of you being a Cubs fan, or maybe an Orioles fan (they've been starving for success for awhile now too), maybe you can sympathize it's been 26 years since the Dodgers have held up the trophy. Add to that we all feel we have a team that could and should be there at the end, and someone has to start looking at the reasons why we're failing.
I simply believe that the most obvious reason is our manager. I've witnessed his sheer stupidity on numerous occasions. There's just no getting around it.
I have just learned over the years that the Braves will disappoint me.Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
No chip on my shoulder, just living through the pain of being a Dodger fan.
Curious: Who's your team? Short of you being a Cubs fan, or maybe an Orioles fan (they've been starving for success for awhile now too), maybe you can sympathize it's been 26 years since the Dodgers have held up the trophy. Add to that we all feel we have a team that could and should be there at the end, and someone has to start looking at the reasons why we're failing.
I simply believe that the most obvious reason is our manager. I've witnessed his sheer stupidity on numerous occasions. There's just no getting around it.Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
MAY is the Operative word here. For all you know, maybe Colletti was pulling the strings for Mattingly just like the way the Rockies get managed. It's not the Manager, it's the Owner's and the GM's who are making the calls.
Case in point? The way the Rockies went south after their WS appearance in 2007. Was it really all Clint Hurdle's fault? Many fans sounded just like you do about Mattingly and eventually the Rockies did fire him and no Manager since him has done any better as the hired puppet.
That said, look at Hurdle now. He gets another team with small market payroll and he is making them into Post Season contenders - obviously he wasn't the problem here in CO (other than the fact he wasn't going to be the owner's dancing monkey).
Points well taken.
In fact, I wish the Dodgers would listen to you and send Donnie-the-dancing-Donkey on his way to another team where he can begin his fantasticly successful managerial career!
In all seriousness, I appreciate your comments and I welcome all differing views. Roady's comparison was interesting, but in my opinion, not relevant (but still welcomed and appreciated). A dynamic manager can take any given team any given year to a Championship. The other years in between? Looking at just the win/lost record doesn't tell the story. Injuries, trades, issues off the field, etc., can all play a big part in the reflected win/loss totals. But in any given year, they can win it all.
I just don't see that with Donnie. He doesn't have the ability or brain activity to "lead and inspire". He's nothing more than a spectator.
I think someone in the Dodgers front office needs to sit down with Donnie, hold him by the hands, look him in his eyes and say "DONNIE...it's been brought to our attention you need some clarification on a few things. First and foremost, the "LA" on your cap.....DOESN'T stand for LOST AGAIN".Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
I have no opinion on Mattingly, but I want to make a general point. When I became a fan in 1957, there were just 16 mlb clubs. All that was required to make the World Series was to beat out 4-5 clubs during the regular season, since several clubs ( Phillies, A's, etc.) were rarely competitive. Thus, making the World Series was the equivalent of winning a division today, or even less because there were no inter-division games. Thus, a club played only seven other clubs all season.
Now there are 30 MLB clubs and multiple rounds of playoffs. It's much harder to get from a division title to the World Series than it ever was in those past decades. Yet many fans keep applying the same standards to postseason success as were the case in the 1950's. It's a different world now, and a world championship is, in my view, correspondingly more difficult and thus meaningful as a result of expanded competition.Leave a comment:
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There is no "Your turn.".
I thought it was a good comparison. I didn't mean it to be a knock on the chip on your shoulder.Leave a comment:
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Re: Don Mattingly's disgrace
Case in point? The way the Rockies went south after their WS appearance in 2007. Was it really all Clint Hurdle's fault? Many fans sounded just like you do about Mattingly and eventually the Rockies did fire him and no Manager since him has done any better as the hired puppet.
That said, look at Hurdle now. He gets another team with small market payroll and he is making them into Post Season contenders - obviously he wasn't the problem here in CO (other than the fact he wasn't going to be the owner's dancing monkey).Leave a comment:
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