I'm so darn mad!

**B1SON** · 09-26-2007, 11:45 PM

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That sucks Jim! I guess that is why I just bid and don't try and end things early.

**brianborsch** · 09-26-2007, 11:56 PM

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If you don't mind me asking, what bat was it? An auction link please?

**Vintagedeputy** · 09-27-2007, 12:07 AM

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B1son - yeah, I used to just bid like everyone else and would lose items I wanted. Then I went to a snipe service and won some stuff but alot of times, the bids went higher than my snipe. Recently I started picking auctions where I really liked the item and took a chance and emailed the seller. I have a somewhat informal "system" that I use (haha) that has seemed to work for me so far in acquiring pieces that would normally have sold well beyond my budget. I havent kept track of how many times its worked out for me, but thats how I recently bought my Jorge Posada and Mark Grace gamers.

Brian - I wouldn't normally disclose it but I have emailed the forum member who won and told him the story. I'm happy that he won it and am not mad at him at all. I'm pissed at the seller for backing out of our verbal agreement.

Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/1978-Game-Used-D...QQcmdZViewItem

**3arod13** · 09-27-2007, 04:30 AM

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Originally posted by Vintagedeputy

I have emailed the forum member who won and told him the story.

Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/1978-Game-Used-D...QQcmdZViewItem

Sorry to hear about your bad luck with that auction/seller. He should have kept his word. However, as I always say...it today's society, it's all about the almighty dollar (in most cases).

On another note about something you said in this thread, I do find one thing interesting, yet somewhat troublesome.

When I previously had an issue with the winner of that auction (won't go into details and bring all that back up again) and I made a post in this forum about it, it was removed. I was later ok with that and understood Chris' point in the matter. I did however make a comment about that individual being a GUU member and also discussed about people looking out for each other and possible favortism towards others. I was told by Chris that this was not the case and that I was wrong...the individual was not a GUU member. I now find this not to be true.

Honesty and Integrity!

As you said earlier...I guess you just can't take a man for his word.

Regards, Tony

**Vintagedeputy** · 09-27-2007, 05:56 AM

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Tony,

I vaguely remember what you are talking about, and I think the situations are different. The member who won this auction on ebay did it fair and square, by the book. I have no issue with him at all.

When I emailed the seller, the bat had been up for auction for days without a single bid. There were no bids on it when we made our deal. Within a matter of 2 hours after our deal, the bid jumped up to $50 more than our deal price. The seller failed to cancel the auction like he should have after we finalized a deal. I was out running errands yesterday but checked my email several times from my mobile and I kept in contact on a timely basis with the seller. There was never an indication from him that the deal was not on.

What this amounts to, is that the seller realized soon after our agreement, that there was money being left on the table. He chose not to honor the deal and went for the money. He ended up profiting more than $200 by doing this.

Funny thing is, when I asked how the bat was acquired, he said that his uncle worked for the Tigers in some clubhouse/field capacity. I asked if he had any proof of that to add to the provenance. He replied back about how he doesnt lie in his auctions and his feedback proves that. Too bad in this case, I cant let his feedback show that he doesnt honor his word as a seller or as a man.

Jim

**3arod13** · 09-27-2007, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by Vintagedeputy

Tony,

I vaguely remember what you are talking about, and I think the situations are different. The member who won this auction on ebay did it fair and square, by the book. I have no issue with him at all.

When I emailed the seller, the bat had been up for auction for days without a single bid. There were no bids on it when we made our deal. Within a matter of 2 hours after our deal, the bid jumped up to $50 more than our deal price. The seller failed to cancel the auction like he should have after we finalized a deal. I was out running errands yesterday but checked my email several times from my mobile and I kept in contact on a timely basis with the seller. There was never an indication from him that the deal was not on.

What this amounts to, is that the seller realized soon after our agreement, that there was money being left on the table. He chose not to honor the deal and went for the money. He ended up profiting more than $200 by doing this.

Funny thing is, when I asked how the bat was acquired, he said that his uncle worked for the Tigers in some clubhouse/field capacity. I asked if he had any proof of that to add to the provenance. He replied back about how he doesnt lie in his auctions and his feedback proves that. Too bad in this case, I cant let his feedback show that he doesnt honor his word as a seller or as a man.

Jim

Jim,

Misunderstanding. The point to my post was not against the winner or seller of the auciton, or how that scenario played out.

My disappointment is with Chris. Chris told me that he (the winner of that auction) was not a member of GUU. However, based on your comments, he is a GUU member.

Just disappointed to find out what I was told is not the truth.

Regards, Tony

**Vintagedeputy** · 09-27-2007, 06:15 AM

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Well, I could be wrong.

I thought that Zane was a member here but after checking the members list, I do not see him listed. Its possible that I made a mistake in that or maybe he used to be a member. I thought for sure that I had seen him post here before.

**Vintagedeputy** · 09-27-2007, 06:18 AM

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Let me add, I've bought from Zane before and that could be why I thought he was a member here........really not sure at this point.

**3arod13** · 09-27-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by Vintagedeputy

Well, I could be wrong.

I thought that Zane was a member here but after checking the members list, I do not see him listed. Its possible that I made a mistake in that or maybe he used to be a member. I thought for sure that I had seen him post here before.

Ok, thanks! Then please ignore my post and/or remove it. Sorry for any misunderstanding and/or inconvenience.

Regards, Tony

**ChrisCavalier** · 09-27-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by 3arod13

I was told by Chris that this was not the case and that I was wrong...the individual was not a GUU member. I now find this not to be true.

Honesty and Integrity!

As you said earlier...I guess you just can't take a man for his word.

Regards, Tony

Hello Tony,

I think this is a lesson for everyone who participates on the forum. If you would have checked the member list via the Hobby Network you would have seen that Zane is not a registered GUU member. Instead, you took someone else's opinion and then questioned my honesty and the integrity of my word on the forum.

I think those that know me well will tell you I am painstakingly diligent in making sure my word is good and I really don't appreciate insinuations that I was somehow not honest in my correspondence to you.

Again, I think this is a very good lesson to everyone to make sure you check your facts before making claims on the forum that insinuate someone is not being forthright, etc. If members can learn that lesson I think it will help continue to increase the credibility of the forum and eliminate any potential criticisms that forum members are unnecessarily critical, etc.

Sincerely,
Chris

**3arod13** · 09-27-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by ChrisCavalier

Hello Tony,

I think this is a lesson for everyone who participates on the forum. If you would have checked the member list via the Hobby Network you would have seen that Zane is not a registered GUU member. Instead, you took someone else's opinion and then questioned my honesty and the integrity of my word on the forum.

I think those that know me well will tell you I am painstakingly diligent in making sure my word is good and I really don't appreciate insinuations that I was somehow not honest in my correspondence to you.

Again, I think this is a very good lesson to everyone to make sure you check your facts before making claims on the forum that insinuate someone is not being forthright, etc. If members can learn that lesson I think it will help continue to increase the credibility of the forum and eliminate any potential criticisms that forum members are unnecessarily critical, etc.

Sincerely,
Chris

Chris, agree and please accept my apology.

Regards, Tony

**Vintagedeputy** · 09-27-2007, 07:34 AM

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Chris,

Please accept my apologies as well. I've purchased a bat from Zane before and I know that we have discussed him on this forum before. I guess that I thought he was a member here from my prior dealings. I had never even considered that he wasnt a member here until Tony mentioned that he wasnt. Thats when I checked the member list and saw that he wasnt a member.

Again, my apologies if my assumption was the impetus for Tony's statements.

Jim

**3arod13** · 09-27-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by Vintagedeputy

Chris,

Please accept my apologies as well. I've purchased a bat from Zane before and I know that we have discussed him on this forum before. I guess that I thought he was a member here from my prior dealings. I had never even considered that he wasnt a member here until Tony mentioned that he wasnt. Thats when I checked the member list and saw that he wasnt a member.

Again, my apologies if my assumption was the impetus for Tony's statements.

Jim

Jim,

Thanks for your efforts, but I take full responsbility for this matter. I was the one who made the inappropriate comments that I did, without having the facts.

As Chris has stated in numerous and numerous threads, have the FACTS...FACTS...FACTS before making any kind of negative comments or accusations.

I take full responsibility for this as have learned a valuable lesson.

Now let me go wash the egg off my face.

Regards, Tony

**soxbats** · 09-27-2007, 12:31 PM

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Not to be unsympathetic, becuase I too have been frustrated by promises and no delivery on GU items, but I find it ironic that you would rely on the word of someone who was willing to violate ebay rules and go after the allmighty dollar. There have been numerous threads written about the practice of emailing sellers early to buy an item before an auction close and I will not revisit those. Suffice it to say that it happens all the time on almost every item.

However, a person who ends an auction early, in violation of ebay rules, does so only because he/she thinks that the offer is more than the ultimate auction price and therefore goes for the money. That is the type of person you are dealing with and, frankly, you had every hope to be dealing with. The honorable seller will give everyone a chance and let the chips fall where they may. When you wrote and asked the seller to end the auction early you were appealing to this basic self interest. When seller got a higher price the very insinct you appealed to worked against you.

To guard against those who would try to end the auction early by writing to sellers, which I will admit that I myself have done, I now email the sellr of anything I am really interested in and tell the seller that I intend to bid and not to end the auction early. I also offer to beat any "off the table" offer they get.

I'm so darn mad!

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