I'm so darn mad!

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

bigjim,

I'm done with it, I'm just trying to put a humerous spin on a thread that has gotten way out of control.

[bigjimsguitars]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

By breaking your promise not to post in this thread anymore, haven't you put yourself in the same class as those sellers who break their promise to sell their item in the ebay auction?

A promise is a promise, right?

Geez, give it a break and stop trying to twist and justify...

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

I apologize for breaking my promise not to post further on this thread but I do want to address Mark. For all the reasons that you mention, I use a snipe service too. I only raised sniping in this post to point out that those who make off-line offers to end auctions screw over the many collectors who wait until later in an auction to make a bid (including those of us who use snipe services). Sniping is part of an auction. Trying to beat out other collectors with an off-line offer is not.

By breaking your promise not to post in this thread anymore, haven't you put yourself in the same class as those sellers who break their promise to sell their item in the ebay auction?

A promise is a promise, right?

[NYRangers]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

I apologize for breaking my promise not to post further on this thread but I do want to address Mark. For all the reasons that you mention, I use a snipe service too. I only raised sniping in this post to point out that those who make off-line offers to end auctions screw over the many collectors who wait until later in an auction to make a bid (including those of us who use snipe services). Sniping is part of an auction. Trying to beat out other collectors with an off-line offer is not.

[bigjimsguitars]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

What I find truly fascinating in this thread is that several folks who have posted seem to think that there is something wrong with sniping. There is nothing illegal about sniping and it is not breaking any ebay rules, and it is certainly not immoral in any regards.

If someone wishes to snipe, what is wrong with that? Why engage in bidding up an item by continually going "back & forth" with others?

The main reason I snipe is that I do not have the time nor the patience to make sure that I am sitting in front of the computer each time an auction of interest is coming to an end. I simply use a snipe service and put in the highest amount that I am willing to pay for an item and walk away from the computer. If I win - great! If not, so be it as it went for more than I was willing to pay.

To imply that sniping is somehow breaking the rules or immoral is perhaps the most illogical thing I have ever read in this forum.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

Always looking for Atlanta Falcons, WFL, Darren Lewis, and Willie McGee items

+1

[G1X]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

What I find truly fascinating in this thread is that several folks who have posted seem to think that there is something wrong with sniping. There is nothing illegal about sniping and it is not breaking any ebay rules, and it is certainly not immoral in any regards.

If someone wishes to snipe, what is wrong with that? Why engage in bidding up an item by continually going "back & forth" with others?

The main reason I snipe is that I do not have the time nor the patience to make sure that I am sitting in front of the computer each time an auction of interest is coming to an end. I simply use a snipe service and put in the highest amount that I am willing to pay for an item and walk away from the computer. If I win - great! If not, so be it as it went for more than I was willing to pay.

To imply that sniping is somehow breaking the rules or immoral is perhaps the most illogical thing I have ever read in this forum.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

Always looking for Atlanta Falcons, WFL, Darren Lewis, and Willie McGee items

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

I respect your opinion.

[bigjimsguitars]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

Its not a matter of questioning the integrity of a seller who did it the "right way".

The issue I had was that I asked him if he would end the auction early and sell the item to me, which he agreed to do (at his price I might add)

He then disregarded our arrangement and let the auction run. That's my issue. I put faith

It seems that everyone has a different opinion on this issue and I respect everyone's opinion. I think now though, that we've hashed this over to death.

Did you pay immediately? Was it in the last 12 hours of the auction?

The good thing was that there was a frank discussion about this topic and I'm glad that many voiced their displeasure of those who circumvent ebay to make a deal as it cheats all who would have bid.

No bids doesn't mean that it will end without a bid and sellers need to remain calm and let the listing run it's course as it's not only the moral and ethical thing to do, it often leads to even a higher final selling price.

Look if X is willing to pay Y, it only goes to reason that so will Z!

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

Its not a matter of questioning the integrity of a seller who did it the "right way".

The issue I had was that I asked him if he would end the auction early and sell the item to me, which he agreed to do (at his price I might add)

He then disregarded our arrangement and let the auction run. That's my issue. I put faith

It seems that everyone has a different opinion on this issue and I respect everyone's opinion. I think now though, that we've hashed this over to death.

[steeltownjerseys]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

I find it interesting that this is such a discussion...Ebay is an auction site, If you want something bid....if you don't want to pay that price, wait until the auction ends and contact the seller to make an offer.
I can't believe you are questioning the integrity of a seller that actually did it the correct way!

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

Well, I'm glad that's over (whew!).

Good riddance.

[NYRangers]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

I know, rules are for suckers.
This thread (started by you, I only chimed in later) is loaded with you bragging about your brilliant system.
You (and others) are screwing other collectors by short-cutting the auction route.
You said it best, ebay is your personal classified ads.
I'm done with this thread.
Have a nice life.

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

I didnt come here "bragging about how I break auction rules". I came here to vent that an agreement fell through. As you have seen here, many other members all have admitted that they too, in the past, have emailed sellers in an attempt to purchase an item directly. Its something that we all do. You seem to want make me out to be some moral degenerate because I try to persuade a seller to sell an item directly to me. If following the ebay rules make you feel better about yourself and assure you of a good place in the hereafter, so be it.

You know, I was looking at a Robinson Cano rookie bat on ebay. The bat started to get some bids and I was contemplating how much I might bid for it. When I just checked it, the seller ended the auction early. What do you think happened there? Did the bat disappear? No, someone made him an offer offline and he sold it. Am I upset? No, that's the way the game is played. Sometimes its not about how much you offer for an item but how and when you make the offer.

Maybe you should find out who bought the Cano bat so that you can start a new thread and push your self-righteous ebay moral agenda on them.

[NYRangers]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

Oh, I sound "bitter" to you? Now I'm crushed. It matters terribly to me what I sound like to you given your high self-interested morals. You came on here bragging how you break the auction rules on ebay but claim no harm-no foul because no bids had been made (this time). Do as you wish. But don't pretend that others who follow the rules aren't getting screwed.

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: I'm so darn mad!

Of course, you can do whatever you feel is right but you can't pretend that no bids mean no interest by other collectors. Do you personally wait until the end of an auction to bid rather than run the price up in advance of the auction end? If so, then you must know that your off-line dealings are screwing others who do the same. Do you use auction sniping services on ebay? If so, again, you are screwing others who use these services as a last-second bid. Ebay is not a classified ad. I hope to hear more "bad experience" stories from those who treat it that way.

I'm sure that there may have been others interested, but if there's no other bids, then there are no other bids. Yes I use snipe services, and with a great degree of success. Sometimes I just try to wrap the item up with a higher degree of certainty by emailing the seller. If you dont agree with my buying practices, so be it. Wishing more "bad experiences" on others or saying that you are happy that my deal fell through just makes you sound bitter.