Here ya go A-Rod apologists!

[3arod13]

Re: Here ya go A-Rod apologists!

Funny we were saying the samething about Canseco.....

And many of us are still saying it.

[kingjammy24]

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All of us have players we like and others we are not fond of. That's just part of sports. But I don't take any joy in finding out anyone has used steroids, hgh, etc. I'm a Yankee fan, but I would take no pleasure in hearing that David Ortiz or Josh Beckett was busted for drugs. I often wonder why some people seem so happy to hear and spread allegations against others, not seeming to care how true or untrue they are. It makes me wonder if they have a low opinion of themselves and it makes them happy to think everyone else is as bad as they think they are?

maybe. maybe it's tall poppy syndrome. i think some may view it as comeuppance of sorts. they view the lives of these millionaire superstar athletes as "unjust" in the sense that they're grossly overpaid. watching them fall seems like justice for all the folks who break their backs to make in a month what these players make in 1 at-bat. class warfare of sorts. same reason people cheered when paris hilton and martha stewart went to jail. i think the general sports-watching public has long had a deep resentment of the insane salaries in sports and arod, being the $250MM man, is the epitome of insane salaries.

that said, i don't think most people set their sights on average players. arod's a target because he chose to become "the highest paid player in baseball". from the start, it was impossible to live up to the expectations of $250MM. boras helped only himself with that contract. arod could've accepted a lesser amount and escaped all of the pressures and expectations of being the $250MM man. that said, arod hasn't exactly had a smooth ride in ny, from his wife's "fu*k you" shirt to his ball slap in the '04 ALCS to his opting out debacle to publically carousing with a stripper. he doesn't make it easy on himself. at $250MM, people have some lofty expecations. due to the money and the hype, they'll hold him to fire on things that they'd give other players a free pass on. i don't think it's necessarily unfair though. afterall, if you want to be the $250MM man and be regarded as the best player in baseball, then you need carry yourself like the $250MM on and off the field. i don't recall folks wanting ripken or gwynn to fall. then again, i don't remember alicia gwynn telling jack murphy stadium to fu*k off or cal publically carousing with strippers.

rudy.

[joelsabi]

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"Alex Rodriguez, along with two other teammates, was a part of this casual conversation. In no way, shape, or form do I believe or have I ever alluded to the opinion that Alex has ever been involved with the use of any Performance Enhancing Drug."

--John Rocker (today)

[frikativ54]

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"Alex Rodriguez, along with two other teammates, was a part of this casual conversation. In no way, shape, or form do I believe or have I ever alluded to the opinion that Alex has ever been involved with the use of any Performance Enhancing Drug."

--John Rocker (today)

Honestly, I think Rocker's a coward. He's probably backtracking at the advice of lawyers. It is naive to think that Rocker has made this decision of his own volition.

[David]

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A problem is that many athletes lie to the public about their drug use (Marion Jones, Raphael Palmiero et al), which means that many fans aren't going to believe every athletes who deny drug use. Marion Jones wrote in bold red letters in her autobiography that she never used steroids, never would and it was against her morals-- then, lo and behold, several years later she admits she had used drugs before she wrote the book.

If innocent athletes are to blame anyone for fans not believing them, they shouldn't blame the fans-- they should blame their fellow athletes who lie to the fans. It is those lying athletes who have conditioned fans do be suspect of claims of innocence.

That for many years players prevented drug testing and penalties only reinforces in many fans' minds that the players as a class are against the disclosure of information about drug use. Realize that all labor agreements are voted upon by the players, and it was the players, not just some Union lawyer, that prevented drug testing. Fans know that players, at least as a majority vote, have a long history of preventing the dissemination of drug information to others, including to the fans.

[cjclong]

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Kingjammy, I understand what you are saying about why some people don't like ARod. Most of us have players we like and some we don't. I think the majority of fans like someone like Cal Ripken who showed consideration for fans and than there are other athletes we think of as jerks. However, I think there is a difference between not liking a player based on how you perceive them as a person and wishing bad things happen to them. I remember how happy some people were with the report, that turned out to be false, that ARod's wife was leaving him. It's one thing for someone to think ARod is something of a phony, or overpaid or doesn't hit in the clutch, etc. Its another to actively hope that he's involved with drugs and latch on to any rumor someone tries to start about him as being the truth. Also, there seems to be a mind set of "they all are sorry scum" about different professions. There are people who seem only too happy to believe and actively want to believe all athletes are drug abusers or whatever. There are good and bad people in all professions. Some people want to see all as bad and none as good. And when people have that mind set I think it may say something about how they view themselves.

[byergo]

Re: Here ya go A-Rod apologists!

3arod13 is exactly who I was thinking of when I typed in "AROD Apologist." Sorry to burst your bubble about your favorite player. Time to take the blinders off.

[NYRangers]

Re: Here ya go A-Rod apologists!

Arod must be dirty.
First, Canseco said it is so (well, not really but he implied it, but then his legit co-author from SI walked away from the sequel because Jose could not back up his non-accusation).
Now, John Rocker said it is so (and we know he doesn't carry any mental baggage).
All we need now is for OJ to swear to it and then we can fire-up the old electric chair for A-Rod!
Signed,
A Mets fan who has no stake in Arod being clean

[3arod13]

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3arod13 is exactly who I was thinking of when I typed in "AROD Apologist." Sorry to burst your bubble about your favorite player. Time to take the blinders off.

First, stop thinking so much. The mind is a terrible thing to waste!

If Arod was found guilty of any wrongdoing, I wouldn't have anything to apologize for. Not once have I ever said Arod was clean. When many, including yourself, have accused Arod of wrongdoing, my only response was, "where are the facts? Where is the proof?"

I don't care about public opinion. I care only about facts. Nothing has been shown, other than individuals words, that Arod has done anything wrong. If and when this happens, then in no way would I defend it.

When Arod did the 60 minutes piece, he was asked by Katie Couric, "Did you use steriods or HGH?" Arod's immediate response was "NO!" She then asked, "did you ever think about using steriods or HGH? Arod thought about it, looked away, and then came back and said, "NO!"

my PERSONAL OPINION was, why look away and think about it? Why not respond NO immediately like he did after the first question?

So as you can see, my point is that even though I found Arod's hesitation after the second question odd, and may think he may be possibly quilty, it's only my opinion.

If the day ever comes that it's factually proven Arod did use steriods or HGH, I will be the first to come in this forum and say how disappointed I would be.

Regards, Tony
Fact are facts, and you can't deny facts.

[cjclong]

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3ARod13. you are one of those people who doesn't mindlessly defend a player you like or mindlessly attack a player you don't. Its one thing to say ARod has not been getting the big hits in playoffs for the Yankees, something even he acknowledges , and an entirely different thing to say he has used steroids when there is no proof whatsoever at this point. Canseco has been making remarks that insinuate he has something on him. If he has anything let him bring it out and we'll see what the FACTS are. Two major league players I like very much are Derek Jeter and Michael Young with the Rangers. I have no reason to believe either has used drugs. If there was proof that was credible that either had used drugs I would accept it and be disappointed. The fact that I don't think either has used drugs because there is no evidence of drug use by them doesn't mean I have "blinders on." The people with "blinders" are those who dislike a player so much they will accept and believe anything bad about them without a shred of proof because they dislike them so much.

[suave1477]

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maybe. maybe it's tall poppy syndrome. i think some may view it as comeuppance of sorts. they view the lives of these millionaire superstar athletes as "unjust" in the sense that they're grossly overpaid. watching them fall seems like justice for all the folks who break their backs to make in a month what these players make in 1 at-bat. class warfare of sorts. same reason people cheered when paris hilton and martha stewart went to jail. i think the general sports-watching public has long had a deep resentment of the insane salaries in sports and arod, being the $250MM man, is the epitome of insane salaries.

that said, i don't think most people set their sights on average players. arod's a target because he chose to become "the highest paid player in baseball". from the start, it was impossible to live up to the expectations of $250MM. boras helped only himself with that contract. arod could've accepted a lesser amount and escaped all of the pressures and expectations of being the $250MM man. that said, arod hasn't exactly had a smooth ride in ny, from his wife's "fu*k you" shirt to his ball slap in the '04 ALCS to his opting out debacle to publically carousing with a stripper. he doesn't make it easy on himself. at $250MM, people have some lofty expecations. due to the money and the hype, they'll hold him to fire on things that they'd give other players a free pass on. i don't think it's necessarily unfair though. afterall, if you want to be the $250MM man and be regarded as the best player in baseball, then you need carry yourself like the $250MM on and off the field. i don't recall folks wanting ripken or gwynn to fall. then again, i don't remember alicia gwynn telling jack murphy stadium to fu*k off or cal publically carousing with strippers.

rudy.

KingJammy are we sharing the same brain again lol lo amazing how in exact words you say what i am thinking, but you did leave out one thing.

ARODS 2006 SEASON SLUMP FOR A 250MM PLAYER, OR HIS LESS THEN DECENT CLUTCH HITTING DURING THE WHOLE SEASON FOR A 250MM PLAYER OR ARODS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND PERFORMANCE IN THE POST SEASON FOR A 250MM

SORRY THATS 3 THINGS

[3arod13]

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3ARod13. you are one of those people who doesn't mindlessly defend a player you like or mindlessly attack a player you don't. Its one thing to say ARod has not been getting the big hits in playoffs for the Yankees, something even he acknowledges , and an entirely different thing to say he has used steroids when there is no proof whatsoever at this point. Canseco has been making remarks that insinuate he has something on him. If he has anything let him bring it out and we'll see what the FACTS are. Two major league players I like very much are Derek Jeter and Michael Young with the Rangers. I have no reason to believe either has used drugs. If there was proof that was credible that either had used drugs I would accept it and be disappointed. The fact that I don't think either has used drugs because there is no evidence of drug use by them doesn't mean I have "blinders on." The people with "blinders" are those who dislike a player so much they will accept and believe anything bad about them without a shred of proof because they dislike them so much.

cjclong, don't see much of a purpose or get much of a thriller slamming people. Arod's numbers consistently throughout each year shows what can do. Yes, he hasn't performed in the postseason, we all know that and Arod acknowledges that.

I just don't see the point to accuse people of things, without facts.

Let's play ball!!

[3arod13]

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The people with "blinders" are those who dislike a player so much they will accept and believe anything bad about them without a shred of proof because they dislike them so much.

Well said! As I've said before, some people just hate so much, they love to tear the person apart, whether it warrants it or not.

[suave1477]

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Well said! As I've said before, some people just hate so much, they love to tear the person apart, whether it warrants it or not.

3arod13 look I know your a AROD fan but even as a fan you have to accept some ridicule about AROD, you can defend him as much as you want and say people rip him when its not warranted but no matter what when your the highest paid player by far especially for years to come. It is alway warranted. I am a Yankee fan and I can't stand AROD. Because of his salary he should have an above stellar year every year. I am not talking about a super star year, im talking about better then a superstar year andthing less is unacceptable. You can argue and say s hes human, not according to his salary. You can argue and say well it wasnt him it was his agent who demanding the money, well AROD in the end has to accept the amount and he did accept and I am sure he didn't put up much of a fight saying it was too much money I don't want it (as anyone else would). So with AROD accepting that amount he and his fans has to accept the responsibility that comes along with it.
As I have said publically before one of my biggest gripes with AROD was his 2006 season performance because we would have easily have taken the AL east with many games a head if it wasn't for AROD and instead we had to struggle to get a game or 2 ahead to take it and of course when we finally got there, his 250mm performance was no where to be found.

And this has what has got me to love Posada even more I think he is one of the most underated players on that team if not in baseball. He is extrmely hardworking and takes to heart every loss.
BIGGEST EXAMPLE everyone says how AROD carried the team last year but no one hardly mentions Posada. If you look at the stats Posada carried the team last year hands down. with a .380 BA up until the all star break thats almost unheard of in todays game and to finish out with a .338 BA & a higher on base percentage then AROD

[3arod13]

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3arod13 look I know your a AROD fan but even as a fan you have to accept some ridicule about AROD, you can defend him as much as you want and say people rip him when its not warranted but no matter what when your the highest paid player by far especially for years to come. It is alway warranted. I am a Yankee fan and I can't stand AROD. Because of his salary he should have an above stellar year every year. I am not talking about a super star year, im talking about better then a superstar year andthing less is unacceptable. You can argue and say s hes human, not according to his salary. You can argue and say well it wasnt him it was his agent who demanding the money, well AROD in the end has to accept the amount and he did accept and I am sure he didn't put up much of a fight saying it was too much money I don't want it (as anyone else would). So with AROD accepting that amount he and his fans has to accept the responsibility that comes along with it.
As I have said publically before one of my biggest gripes with AROD was his 2006 season performance because we would have easily have taken the AL east with many games a head if it wasn't for AROD and instead we had to struggle to get a game or 2 ahead to take it and of course when we finally got there, his 250mm performance was no where to be found.

And this has what has got me to love Posada even more I think he is one of the most underated players on that team if not in baseball. He is extrmely hardworking and takes to heart every loss.
BIGGEST EXAMPLE everyone says how AROD carried the team last year but no one hardly mentions Posada. If you look at the stats Posada carried the team last year hands down. with a .380 BA up until the all star break thats almost unheard of in todays game and to finish out with a .338 BA & a higher on base percentage then AROD

I don't defend Arod. I only comment on the many who accuse Arod of being guilty of using steriods/HGH. I only always ask, where is the proof? Where are the facts?

Your statement "I can't stand Arod" says it all. Many feel that way about Arod, hence the hatred and continuous negative comments.

I'm just a baseball fan.