6 charged with fraud

[zooat2]

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- This entire thread has gotten really sad...

[allstarsplus]

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I come on here and try to do best for the hobby and I get blasted for it. I do favor for other people and I look like the bad guy. Yes, there is one of your moderators that's not telling you the truth!! I've had enough here maybe Andrew Lang could stand up for once and come on here and tell everyone what you told me and asked me to do. So I don't look like the bad guy. Now you know everything hope your happy now...

Jamie, not sure why you are pushing this. I sent this to Chris and the other Moderators yesterday.

As I told you, I don't want to be involved and don't need to be involved as I try to stay neutral unless I am involved in it personally. My initial email was about your post to a Redskins posting. You sent me to the Extreme Skins site. I told you I had some information but didn't want to post publicly. Later I told you other people covered that information.

I sent this to you in response to your email on Oct 30th at 11:22am and I think if it is taken in context, I was saying you should post your questions on that 11:22am email.

This was my statement to you:

"I think if he is found guilty of fraud by conviction or a plea deal he should be banned but that is me, I don't own the GUU. Maybe you can post that as a question to Chris. "

[legaleagle92481]

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Wow this thread has gotten sad. We as collectors should focus our time on cleaning up the hobby and not fighting amongst each other. We are grown men and women we should all be above attacking each other and each other's actions and opinions.

[SkubeBats]

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Andrew,
I asked some questions you brought up and I had. Thats all. You told me some inofrmation and then you told me the were other that new more. I just did and said what we talked about. I asked you many times to stand up and say something. I understand that somethings you told me were cover by other posts but some wasn't. I never dragged you into this until I started to get blasted for things we both were wondering. Sorry I brought you into this but I'm not going to get me name dragged through the mud for trying to do the right thing.

I will stay out of this from here on out. But if my name or my thoughts are brought into question I will respond.

[dplettn]

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I'd be (only nearly, apparently) the last person in the world to defend JO. Having said that, I want to applaud Chris for not censoring the board via banning or closing the thread and instead inviting information of all types.

I myself had an interaction with JO, and for some time the historic thread about my own interaction was closed in such a fashion that I feared the worst about the forum's neutrality.

Ultimately, while my own opinions and observations have been and continue to be quite negative about what is (or was) the JO business (even without presuming fraud), I'm proud as a GUU member to observe that Chris and GUU are handling this flare up within this particular thread in quite a tolerant fashion.

Whether any of us enjoy reading the flare up (and I don't), its important to realize that whenever there is a flare on any subject the truth will be equally apparent to all observers who can assess the situation wholly.

Let's be very clear Jamie. I am not calling most of the people on the forum trolls. I am calling YOU a troll.

Here are the reasons for my statement:

1) You post that you have a "friend" with confidential information who "think[s] if they will post you will get mad and ban them like anyone else." I then stated no one has ever been banned for any reason other than the fact that they violated the forum rules and, just to make sure they are clear, I gave my personal guarantee that they will not be banned if they state their opinions in accordance with the forum rules. Yet, this "friend" of yours has not posted anything that I can see.

2) You state "I was asked by one of your moderates to ask you some questions as I did. I know he should stand up and say something but he won't. He's the one with information not me. I don't know anything more then the rest of you." Yet, when I asked the moderators, none of them said this statement is correct. Therefore, either you or this presumed moderator is not telling the truth. To be very candid, given what I know about all the moderators as well as what I am seeing from you, my money is on the moderators telling the truth.

3) We now see how you "want to thank all of you that has sent me private emails about all of this. It's good to know that I have so many people on here that like what I'm doing to rid our hobby of the bad guys that are out there." Why do they need to send private emails? They can post it here. If you haven't been banned certainly they can't be afraid of being banned as you so adamently claim. Please tell all of these people they can feel free to post how they like what you are doing here. Better yet, I'll tell them myself. Hello everyone sending these private emails to Jamie. Please feel free to post that you like what Jamie is doing here. There will be no reprecussions for you stating your opinion.

In addition, regarding your question about answering your questions in post #334, I have already done so. Here is the relevant information from my last post:

"as for any questions based on "what ifs", I can assure you GUU will continue to operate, as always, with the utmost integrity and that all its administrative actions will be consistent with that objective once all the details are disclosed."

Dude, your tactics are so transparent they are almost absurd. I have stated why JO is being allowed to post and that is for the sole reason of explaining things here if he choses to do so. I have no interest in discussing this further with someone that seems to have no purpose but to try to create controversy.

Sincerely,
Chris

[Mattfedo01]

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I have noticed on JO's website that Michael Vick is no longer on the homepage when you first enter the website....and also mikevick.com used to have a link that takes you right to josports website to purchase his items, and that link has been pulled...do you think vick is no longer with them??? They still do have his items but you have to search for them.

[SaintsGeaux]

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Let's be very clear Jamie. I am not calling most of the people on the forum trolls. I am calling YOU a troll.


Sincerely,
Chris

ChrisCavalier, has someone cyber-hacked your password and hijacked your handle because this is startling to read if you actually wrote this.

Doesn't this violate some of your own Forum rules?

[SaintsGeaux]

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- This entire thread has gotten really sad...

That sums it up in so many ways.

[gingi79]

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For the first time, I am at a loss for words. A thread about 6 people the FBI investigated for fraud contains more damaging information about unaffiliated collectors than the accused! How can it be that JO will come out of this with less need for damage control than half a dozen of the members of this site?

I have plenty of opinions about this case, those who defend and those who accuse and the blatant disregard and double standards illustrated in this thread but I'm not screaming at the ocean. I refuse to indulge in the deflective tactics and crass commentary. I will say however that Jamie isn't wrong about some of the inflammatory things he wrote and this thread can only continue to negatively affect this hobby.

In my humble opinion, isn't it time to shut this down? Has anyone grown as a collector, learned something positive or enhanced the hobby for the last 50 pages? Leaving it open in the hopes JO will comment in posts we all know are never coming has only allowed further scars to develop, feelings to be hurt and collectors to lose trust and faith in each other and this site.

[Jags Fan Dan]

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An unfortunate situation is becoming worse with the in-fighting. Lets all try to keep our cool.

[nickacs]

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In my humble opinion, isn't it time to shut this down?

I posted this about 15 pages ago and still say there's about 40/46 pages of useless arguments/personal attacks/garbage that isn't doing a thing for this thread.
I respectively agree, this forum is for the open opinions/comments of anyone, but I think it's WELL known the subject of this thread and the continuing bantering back/forth is literally just taking up space.

Until there is more actual more news/facts presented to the public, I personally just to see the continuation of this thread??? There's been NO new updates since the OP post day? LOL...

[nickacs]

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Until there is more actual more news/facts presented to the public, I personally just don't see the continuation of this thread??? There's been NO new updates since the OP post day? LOL...

EDIT feature please!!!

[3arod13]

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isn't it time to shut this down? Has anyone grown as a collector, learned something positive or enhanced the hobby for the last 50 pages? Leaving it open in the hopes JO will comment in posts we all know are never coming has only allowed further scars to develop, feelings to be hurt and collectors to lose trust and faith in each other and this site.

Well said! It's honest timely to close this thread!

[3arod13]

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Well said! It's honest timely to close this thread!

Well said! It's honestly time to close this thread!

[ChrisCavalier]

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Well said! It's honestly time to close this thread!

I agree. We are closing this thread. If anyone has any relevant information that would be useful to the collecting community and would like to share it, please forward it using the "Contact Forum Moderator" link and we will be happy to review it and post it if it is beneficial to the community.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this matter.

Sincerely,
Chris