Opinion on possibly modified Carlos Lee bat

[Gyro123]

Re: Opinion on possibly modified Carlos Lee bat

Chris- I do not believe Rudy is on a witch hunt here. I definately think that enough coincidences exist between both the Lee and Pujols bat fiascos to at least warrant questioning... no? You addressed the issue after the bat came under questioning. While honorable, this alone should not act as a shield from others who may still have questions. Do I feel that you should be subject to persecution? No, but you have to understand that serious doubt does exist at this point and people are just looking to gather info and formulate there own opinions.

[Vintagedeputy]

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Chris,

I, for one am all for giving people an opportunity to explain themselves. I think that I was the second poster in this thread and my reply was simply that I'd like to see what the seller (you) has to say about it.

With that said, you have to understand 2 things here. One, the whole situation just flat out looks bad. I'm sure that you have a good reputation but look at it through the eyes of the casual collector here. You must admit that even if on the surface, something appears amiss.

The other thing is that with so much fraudulent stuff floating around, people are always going to go into accusatory mode. As a seller, you have to develop a thick skin and sometimes ride the tide. Hopefully your past business practices will help you and not hurt you in the eyes of the collector.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.......

Jim

[sarahsdad]

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How many of you out there were wondering how long it would take for the Pujols bat to be referenced? I for one thought it would take at least 24 hours. But how ironic that a similar incident follows the same seller of the Pujols bat. What are the odds? a wise man once told me, "Son, sometimes it is what it is".
Sarahsdad

[33bird]

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Chris seems to be a little like Pete Rose. Slowly the truths comes out and we really get to know the man, but it takes awhile. I HIGHLY doubt the sellers of those bats would add pinetar after they already sold the bats. To what purpose? It's definately the same bat and was doctored after you bought it to make it appear MORE like a Lee bat. Thus, a better profit. I believe Chris has real gamer stuff, but likes to alter them for certain reasons. Not just for profit, but maybe just to see if he can get away with it. Pujols and now Lee-and others I'm guessing that we never caught. This all just makes me frusturated because I've bought a lot of stuff from Chris over the years and now I wonder if things were added or altered. It's all a little strange and sad.
Greg

[kingjammy24]

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there were only 3 possible parties involved: cargolargo, the shipper, chris boyd.

if you look at chris' photo showing his group of lee bats, all of the lee bats have pine tar in the same place. apparently an expert on houston astros bats, chris feels that the pinetar constitutes "perfect Lee use characteristics". clearly, chris is knowledgable about lee's use characteristics.

conversely, looking at the cargolargo ad, it's apparent they have no idea what a lance berkman bat even looks like. they call it "LB?" as they're unable to make out the signature on the bat. their ad makes no mention of model numbers or use characteristics. the only thing they're really able to say is "All bats appear to be pine construction". it's clear that game used bats aren't their speciality and they likely wouldn't know carlos lee's use characteristics if their lives depended on it. the pine tar on this bat however perfectly matches the others shown in chris' photos. clearly it was applied by someone knowledgable about lee's bats.

i can't even wrap my head around what a mystery this is. out of the 3 parties involved, who would have the motive and knowledge to do something like this? it's clear that cargolargo didn't have any motive or even the knowledge to apply the pinetar correctly. (from a seller's perspective, it'd be detrimental to alter an item after you've sold it because the buyer would receive an item that didn't match what they thought they'd bought.) i have to think the same is true of the shipper (USPS, FedEx, etc). so that means the only party who had both the motive and the knowledge is chris boyd and he swears it wasn't him. if none of those 3 did it, then who?! chris do you have a wife or kids? are any of them knowledgable about lee's bats to the point where they'd be able to perfectly mimic a pine tar application that also matches all of your other lee bats? if so, i believe we may have found the culprit.

anyway, perhaps chris is right and we've all missed the important point here. clearly we should focus on the fact that chris was not notified first and that posting the pujols thread may have possibly broken forum rule #12 regarding thread relevance.

rudy.

[sarahsdad]

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Unfortunately for Chris rule #12 thread relevance does apply. The introduction of the Pujols "modification" shows that he has engaged in this type of behavior prior to the Carlos Lee "modification" so how is the Pujols thread not relevant? And what rule shall we apply to the Pujols "modification"? Thou shalt not....... And when you have to cite rule #12 or any other rule as part of your defense then I believe you are beginning to grasp at straws.
sarahsdad

[hblakewolf]

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George,

My current inventory of Astros bats is at 1362 as of this weekend. My inventory cost on those bats is $161,898.90. This is one of 8 Carlos Lee 2007 bats I currently have, and 1 of 19 I have had since he came to the Astros. This is also not my fulltime job! I admit there was an oversight. I admit there are times when I do not fully look over an item when received because of the volume I handle. The only bat I paid close attention to was the Preston Wilson bat as I had intended on a quick move on that one since it was outside of my speciality.

Thanks,

Chris

Chris-

I visited your web site, however, your current inventory of all game used bats for sale is less than 50. Likewise, did I miss the photos on your site that shows your total collection? Where can we review this simply amazing inventory of 1,362 Astros bats? Can you post a few photos here of the most prized bats, and likewise, possibly a group shot of all of them?

I've sold hundreds of bats over the last 20 years, and can't even begin to try to think where one could store or display such a huge assortment. Likewise, it's almost 3,000 pounds of total wood!

Hats off to you for having such an amazing collection of Astros bats.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[Bigcatbaseball]

Re: Opinion on possibly modified Carlos Lee bat

There are so many knowlegable and honest dealers associated with GUU, why trade with anyone who has a questionable reputation? If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, it's a duck!

[Juicyfruit66]

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I just bought a Dennis Martinez bat from Chris Boyd , when I got it I noticed there was an inscription rubbed off the barrel. It looked like a legit Martinez signature to me, I found it odd that someone would remove it. Chris said he didn't realize it was there.

[Juicyfruit66]

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I didn't post this reply to the old 2007 thread to complain or anything, my transaction went great with Chris and I like the bat. I had no issue, I just thought the inscription was worth pointing out. By adding the comment I made the thread current again which wasn't my intention.

[Juicyfruit66]

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Just the fact there have been no updates to the thread in almost 10 years is a good sign maybe the past is the past.