Did we lose anyone on this forum?

[bigtruck260]

Re: Did we lose anyone on this forum?

Regardless...I have a slight issue here.

I have questions about the Pujols bat's tar pattern...but before I asked, I saw this thread (after Suave tipped me off to it). If the seller of these bats has not found this thread, something is wrong.

I find it hard to believe that a person with a collection that size is not a member of GUU (or is a member in hiding). I would guess that the majority of the members (I said MAJORITY), do not have a collection of that stature.

Something is not right about it, and I am choosing personally to exclude his/her items from my watch list.

Dave

[TNTtoys]

Re: Did we lose anyone on this forum?

well if she was with a guy who collected for 20 odd years, I'm certain that he spoke about his collection if not to her, but to his men friends....

The crux of the problem lies within Jim's statement above. His statement, as does the statement of the seller, implies that this bat is part of a collection.
The bat, however, is not part of a collection, but instead a collectible just recently picked up on ebay for the purpose of flipping.
Knowing the fact behind this particular item (which is irrefutable at this point), we can conclude that the seller is being dishonest.

Now onto Jim's other statement "Who cares what the seller says if the item is the real deal." It does have merit; however, it is being sold on ebay. We have seen countless threads where it is discussed why are items sold on ebay vs. auction houses... why do items on ebay tend to sell for less than they would at auction houses... and the answer always boils down to trust. On ebay, not every buyer is educated the way we are here at GUU... many buyers rely on a trust relationship with the seller. Being an ebay seller, trust is paramount... So when that trust is broken (even if the circumstance has nothing to do with the legitimacy or price of the item), that's a deal-breaker. No trust, no sale.

[bigjimsguitars]

Re: Did we lose anyone on this forum?

TNTtoys:

You also make some interesting points. My main thing is Vintage and Used Guitars and there are many parallels to GU Memorabilia, but end the end, I'm buying a guitar or GU Item and not the seller. In other words, I do consider the source, but it's the item I'm after. If the source is in question I will take more precautions and maybe use another set of eyes to vett the item.

There is the possibility that the Pujol's bat was bought and intended for the collection and then the collector passed away....but again, it doesn't matter if the item is real.

Bigtruck also raised some good points and were directly related to the item(s) and are relevant and pertinent.

However, I was a collector who has a fairly sizable collection and wasn't aware of the GUU until recently, so the fact that the ebayer in questions husband didn't belong (that we know of), is not an issue to me and not a reason for distrust.

I'm sure that there are many funny deals going on on ebay, but at the same time many good deals are to be had....knowledge and homework are the best tools to ferret out the BS and get the meat on the table. The same is true for Auction houses as well and maybe even more so as their language is more restrictive to the end buyer.

[B1SON]

Re: Did we lose anyone on this forum?

The largest collection of Minnesota Gophers gameused equipment was dismantled on Ebay recently because the man had to pay medical bills. Your right, EVERYONE would have asked why he was doing it. It made me sad to see someone's hard work and energy dismantled like a tornado destroying a home.

[bigjimsguitars]

Re: Did we lose anyone on this forum?

People die, have personal setbacks, and some just decide to move on and do something different. To think that a major collection cannot be dismantled for a variety of reasons is ludichrist and to judge the reasons for someone dismantling a collection is also.

The intentions of the seller only become a question or issue when the item(s) themselves are dubious or fake. Is any of the items being offered by the seller fake or questionable?

Look, I have no affiliation with the seller nor do I even know her/him or whatever. But I really think that some are making baseless determinations that are spurious and without merit unfairly to the seller.

[nyjetsfan14]

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It made me sad to see someone's hard work and energy dismantled like a tornado destroying a home.

It is also sad when a former player has to sell off his stuff when age/health becomes a factor. AMI has had a lot of Maynard stuff recently and even though I am a devout Jets collector it bothers me. If I was a former NFL player I would hope my family would want to maintain such historic and proud items. But really I think it is the teams themselves that drop the ball. I have often been diasppointed in the Jets for not trying to procure such items for a Jets Hall of Fame at their new stadium and/or complex. These types of items (speaking of items such as the Maynard SB III jersey soon to be in AMI) should be on display for all Jets fans to see and enjoy as the Jets honor their history, not in some guys basement who never played a down (referring to people like myself so do not take offense).

Lastly, I suggest that if collectors don't want their stuff to hit e-Bay immediately after they pass then do what I did; have a son and brainwash him to be a bigger Jets fan than I am

[MSpecht]

Re: Did we lose anyone on this forum?

The largest collection of Minnesota Gophers gameused equipment was dismantled on Ebay recently because the man had to pay medical bills. Your right, EVERYONE would have asked why he was doing it. It made me sad to see someone's hard work and energy dismantled like a tornado destroying a home.

I agree completely. Here is a bit of history: In the old days, when a "big-time" collector was selling off his collection, it was termed "He's 3-D - ing it," meaning that it was likely the result of either Death, Disease, or Divorce. ... (of course I found out recently that there is a 4th D -- "Daughters Going to College."

[10thMan]

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I e-mailed the seller about one of the Bats. I usually ask a question before I make a purchase, it`s just an "attitude check" I took the "soft" route & said "sorry for your loss" because I just don`t know. I actually got a nice response from them. The person said they have "over 500 bats" & I believe them.
Sean

[TNTtoys]

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It is also sad when a former player has to sell off his stuff when age/health becomes a factor. AMI has had a lot of Maynard stuff recently and even though I am a devout Jets collector it bothers me. If I was a former NFL player I would hope my family would want to maintain such historic and proud items.

I wonder what Maynard and his family thought of the "tasteful" display of his historic achievements as worn by topless models.

[nyjetsfan14]

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I wonder what Maynard and his family thought of the "tasteful" display of his historic achievements as worn by topless models.

I wonder if the AMI girls wearing auction jerseys actually increases interest/bids/prices in those items? I mean I don't mind a lil eye candy but I don't see a jersey on one of the ladies and say: oh yeah, now I just have to have that because it is on her body. Most of the high end items should sell themselves. I have seen some e-Bay sellers either wearing or having somebody else wear a jersey as to display the attributes. When it is on an attractive lady I can deal with it but when it is a guy wearing the item it creeps me out and I won't bid. Can't we just stick to the good ole maniquin torso? So, I wonder if AMI has seen increased prices since the introduction of the AMI girls. I do know I look at the catalog a little closer.

[TNTtoys]

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NYJetsfan: I'll cut you some slack because you root for a good team but I do have to say you're the first person I have come across on here that actually is "for" the models.
Just to illustrate my point... have you ever given any thought to what "might" happen to this treasure during a photo shoot? Possibly it may get stained by brushing up against something dirty? Possibly it may obtain new pulls or other external damage? At minimum it might end up stinking of perfume. Also, picture yourself as the consigner of these items. First and foremost, they are usually the highest end pieces in the catalogue. How would you feel if this is what is being done with your treasured collectible? I mean, if you owned a Don Maynard game used jersey... or even one of the others that were recently "modeled" such as the Willie Mays New York Giants jersey... what would you think?

[nyjetsfan14]

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Hmmm that's odd, I could have sworn I said the modeling of the items does nothing for me?