2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

[NFLJerseyCollector]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

I couldn't stop reading the post all you people type in.

Bernie is 1 big B/S (A Liar).
I called him up the other day, asking him what other jersey he has, he said he has Merriman, Urlacher and Carson Palmer.

I ask him what's the year and size tag say, he reply with 05-46 tagging.
I ask him for some picture, he reply with a I'm too busy right now-call me after the holiday's over.

2 things that got me upset was he lie and he lie again.

The first thing is, I can't recall seeing a Urlacher jersey that is a size 46 on a 2005 or 2006 year jersey only 05-50, I have a 06-50 game-used jersey but i want a 2005 year jersey.

The second thing is how hard or how long does it take to get a few picture of the jersey, well maybe the JERK doesn't go an extra mile for anyone, or even maybe he has enough money to pass up any Sale, it sures seems that way.

[mvandor]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

Take a look at the width of the name plate. The real jersey falls at least an inch inside the numbers on both sides. Bernies falls well outside the numbers. Now we know why he is selling it on ebay. It would never pass to go into an auction. There is no way this is made for a team.

You nailed it with the nameplate width, I had missed that and couldn't find other discrepancies, as I'm sure the bidders couldn't. Difficult to place trust in PSI or its owner as bad sales like this, or misrepresentations of items, continue to accrue. Further, a 'game used' or 'game issued' seller that also sells 'game cut' copies does inherently make you wonder.

It appears to be like my LT helmet, a VERY good knockoff that you REALLY have to put under a microscope to catch.

My only disagreement with your post is 90% of the auction houses WOULD have taken it and slapped a Sweet Lou LOA on it. In a heartbeat.

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

You nailed it with the nameplate width, I had missed that and couldn't find other discrepancies, as I'm sure the bidders couldn't...It appears to be like my LT helmet, a VERY good knockoff that you REALLY have to put under a microscope to catch.

Obviously I will be putting myself out of favor with those football gamer experts who seem to be infatuated with PSI but here it goes: the description indicates it is an LT "game issued" jersey but some have noticed a different length nameplate? We should understand that when these jerseys are made by the team for a player that they are not coming out of a computer and tend to vary a bit. Not every jersey is going to be exactly identical. For instance when the Jets were selling gamers on their web site I called and inquired about some players. The Jets had multiple jerseys of certain players available (all used in a game), most varying in size, wear, specifications/customizations, etc... Weather conditions, player preference for that particular week, etc...are just a couple of the factors for some differences. Just because you notice a slight difference in a jersey that LT was wearing in a game as compared to a team issued piece that never made it to the field does not make it a "fake" or the seller a "fraud." I am not defending anyone, just making a point for all the detectives out there. If I don't like or feel comfortable with an item I just don't bid.

[gamewornauthentics]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

jets,

i agree with you 100% , these jersey are not made by computers and they do vary from time to time and that dose not make them "fake" or not "real". if it was a game worn jersey i am all for a jersey showing the correct use and matching hit marks with game photos 100%.

but if a jersey is being sold as team issued, like this tomlinson jesey is i agree that even though the name plate dose not match 1000000000% to a T, despite everyting else on the jersey being correct i think to say its "fake" is not fair. especially when it is just a fraction off on the placement of the name plate, if it is the wrong font thats another story but thats not the case.

after reading many posts i do sense a sense of jeliously from time to time and people go out of there way to discredit items which i think shoud be addressed, especially chargers items. no one here is on the chargers equipment staff as much as they may wish and despite who knows who from where on the chargers, you cant tell me that they would say every jersey the team gets for a player is 10000% exactly the same in every single way.

i think this forum has done some good and some bad and which is why i held off on posting for a while. i do apperciate the work people such as rudy puts into authenticating game worn items and he should be commened,but team issued items cant be authenticated to the same standard game worn items are plain and simple.

[gamewornauthentics]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

nfljersey collecotr,


in response to you i think he knows when people are calling him just to get a rise and i would not send pictures just to anyone of any of my game worn items for many reasons such as security (dont want it to be stolen), this forum -a pic is posted and everyone goes out of there way to pick it apart especially a jersey comming from psi, despite his track record i still dont think he can get a "fair trial" if you know what i mean on this forum.


i would not send a pic of a jersey to anyone else i could sense a serious intrest to buy it or if i even wanted to sell it to begin with. i also would not pass any pics of my game worn items around because i know mine are real and i dont want others with little knoledge trying to discredit it or even use my shirt to authenticate other shirts.


this forum as shown that even pictures alone of real game worn jersey have big $$$$ value imo.

[mvandor]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

Mods, I think a comparison of the above two posters IP #'s would be in order. Me thinks a PSI shill is talking to himself, too similar in style.

This is the first year the Chargers have used these new jerseys, there would only have been a limited supply of LT's prepared for the season you would think. You'd also think they were likely prepared at the same time which would lead one to believe the nameplates would be consistent, not all over the place.

I challenge these/this poster to find ONE Getty image matching the nameplate on the PSI jersey.

[gamewornauthentics]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

mvador,

please go ahead and compare the ip's i have no intrest or relationship with psi.

heck i understand that psi has a shakey track record !


"there would only have been a limited supply of LT's prepared for the season you would think"

again mavador, you are just guessing and have no proff of that and i think that type of statement is not fair to even make,

[gamewornauthentics]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

mvador

"I challenge these/this poster to find ONE Getty image matching the nameplate on the PSI jersey."


again your missing it , it is not fair to compare a pic of a game worn jersey to a team issued jersey. i understand your point it should match up if it is team issued but i think to dismiss a jersey with such a little diffrence is not enough grounds to say a jersey is not real in this case..


mvador,
what proof do you have that every single jersey made for a player on a tema including team issued jerseys are 100% the same in every single way?


i think in a case like this like anything else you bid based on a sellers reputation and for psi they dont have a good rep on this board or with most high paying buyers so my point is not to defend psi but to defened team issued jerseys from being held ot the same standard of gw jersey and the some times extensive mesaures many take on this board with little proof to start to discredit a jersey.

such as a suggestion to "track an ip address"

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

i also would not pass any pics of my game worn items around because i know mine are real and i dont want others with little knoledge trying to discredit it or even use my shirt to authenticate other shirts.

How can your real game worn items be discredited? I mean they're real, right?

[Eric]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

mvador,

please go ahead and compare the ip's i have no intrest or relationship with psi.

gamewornauthentics
you have the same ip addresses (2 of them) as user clinton2828

also, you did not register with a valid first and last name. so you will not be allowed to post from this account.
please explain

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

gamewornauthentics
you have the same ip addresses (2 of them) as user clinton2828

also, you did not register with a valid first and last name. so you will not be allowed to post from this account.
please explain

Hello Eric,

As an FYI, I actually sent gamewornauthentics an email about an hour before your post welcoming him to the site but also letting him know he has 24 hours to update his account with a valid first and last name or the account will be suspended until the information is provided.

Regards,
Chris

[kingjammy24]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

We should understand that when these jerseys are made by the team for a player that they are not coming out of a computer and tend to vary a bit. Not every jersey is going to be exactly identical.

i agree that anomalies exist. however, how do you know whether an anomaly is "legit" (ie: geninely occurred) or whether the anomaly is due to more sinister reasons (ie: some local fraudster screwed up)? there are anomalies that i know and accept because i've seen evidence of their occurance on the playing field. if you haven't seen any evidence whatsoever, then why accept it? you have to draw the line somewhere and devise some standards. you can't simply say anything goes. if there was a size 38 jersey with "tomlonsin" on the back, you wouldn't simply say "hey, anomalies happen. it's not necessarily fake". there are a very limited amount of games played in a single nfl season. at this point, the majority of 2007 games are all on getty. if we're talking about a 2007 tomlinson jersey, it's overwhelmingly likely that if it's not seen on getty then it probably didn't happen. if a single image can be produced showing tomlinson playing with a nob that extends beyond the numbers then everyone would immediately accept this as a legit anomaly. until that time, it's unsubstantiated and atypical and i don't see why anyone would have any faith.

rudy.

[The Titan]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

gamewornauthentics
you have the same ip addresses (2 of them) as user clinton2828

also, you did not register with a valid first and last name. so you will not be allowed to post from this account.
please explain

WOW! Good call Mvandor.

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

WOW! Good call Mvandor.

wow, you're quick

[The Titan]

Re: 2007 LaDAINIAN TOMLINSON Chargers Un-Used Game Jersey Ebay

wow, you're quick

And some things are better left unsaid.