Catfish Hunter Yankees jersey?

[Eric]

Question about the number style in the mastro Catfish Hunter game used jersey. It is listed as "1975-79"

http://www.mastroauctions.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=79573&LastLotListing=Lot%20List%20Categories&CurrentRow=1

Here is a photo from getty dated 1975-79 which matches this style


I'm used to seeing the #2 curve up on Yankees jerseys like the photo below.



I'm used to the #9 looking like this (look at nettles on the right side)

Does anyone know when exactly this different font was used? Occasionally Steiner sells items with a different font like



Eric

[reed1216]

Re: Catfish Hunter Yankees jersey?

Nice jersey! I'd feel a whole lot more comfortable if it came with an independant LOA. It'll be interesting to see whether or not their prices will be weaker without MEARS working with them.

[kingjammy24]

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i would like to know what yankee experts think of the strip tag in the collar.

in my limited experience, the strip tags on 75-79 yankee shirts had the last name as well as the year and set.

like this:


also seen here:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=35293

http://www.mearsonline.com/forsale/item/?id=2785

then again, here's a '75 shirt with just the name:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=6894

perhaps that narrows down the year to '75?

i would also like to know if anyone else thinks the strip tag appears noticeably different/brighter than the rest of the jersey.

as well, i'm curious why the back numbers show massive puckering yet the button placket shows none. given the wash wear on the back numbers, i'm curious what the jersey actually feels like.

in my experience, many font inconsistances aren't due to the manufacturer but to a local shop.

thanks in advance,

rudy.

[Eric]

Re: Catfish Hunter Yankees jersey?

The folks at Robert Edward Auctions sold a 1975 Catfish Hunter game used jersey with "Hunter" sewn in the collar. It is signed in the collar. and is not trimmed.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2007/1211.html#photos

[Eric]

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the 1975 doc medich found in bob malandro's steiner blog has the other more traditional font (the jersey had a number change and may have been recycled), but just the last name in the collar

http://steinersportsmarketing.com/blog/medich/medichjersey.jpg

[kingjammy24]

Re: Catfish Hunter Yankees jersey?

perhaps there's a correlation between the atypical strip tag and 1975/rawlings yankee shirts. perhaps you've also just nailed down the year of mastro's jersey.

if it were a wilson shirt, it'd seem that you'd expect to see the typical grey strip tag seen on 70s and 80s yankee shirts. the strip tag seen on the mastro and robert edward jerseys is atypical though and perhaps that can be attributed to them being rawlings shirts.

the robert edwards shirt also has the same number font as the mastro shirt.

when a manufacturer ships a certain years worth of jerseys to a team, in my experience the fonts are usually consistent. when the team has a local shop do up some jerseys, that's when font inconsistancies can occur. however, i suppose they'd also occur when you switch manufacturers from wilson to rawlings.

rudy.

[Eric]

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1975 velez has just last name in collar

http://www.huntauctions.com/online/imageviewer.cfm?auction_num=25&lot_num=243&lot_qual=

[kingjammy24]

Re: Catfish Hunter Yankees jersey?

welp..there you have it then. a 1975 rawlings shirt.

eric, i'd like to say we could split the authentication fee but i have a feeling that it'll be going to the folks who called it a '75-79 shirt.

anyway, it's not just the last name. the tag itself is unique. seems different in color, material, and stitching that the wilson strip tags seen during that era.

would be interesting to know if the '75 rawlings shirts also all came with that unique number font straight from the factory. the medich shirt doesn't count because it's had a number change. i wonder if the original number was in the same font as seen on the mastro and robert edwards shirts.

rudy.

[suave1477]

Re: Catfish Hunter Yankees jersey?

i would like to know what yankee experts think of the strip tag in the collar.

in my limited experience, the strip tags on 75-79 yankee shirts had the last name as well as the year and set.

like this:


also seen here:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=35293

http://www.mearsonline.com/forsale/item/?id=2785

then again, here's a '75 shirt with just the name:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=6894

perhaps that narrows down the year to '75?

i would also like to know if anyone else thinks the strip tag appears noticeably different/brighter than the rest of the jersey.

as well, i'm curious why the back numbers show massive puckering yet the button placket shows none. given the wash wear on the back numbers, i'm curious what the jersey actually feels like.

in my experience, many font inconsistances aren't due to the manufacturer but to a local shop.

thanks in advance,

rudy.

RUDY AGAIN ME AND YOU THINK ALIKE, THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND IS THE TAGGING IS A BIT ODD.

ALSO I HAVE SEEN A GAME USED 70'S HUNTER YANKEE JERSEY FROM STEINER AND THE BOTTOM WAS NOT CUT.

PLUS THE FONT LOOKS OFF.

PERSONALLY FOR ME THIS JERSEY HAS TOO MANY ?'S

[kingjammy24]

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mears discusses this jersey here:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/426247/message/1202576507/Hunter+Jersey+in+Mastro%27s+Auction

the assumption all around seems to be that it's a '75 rawlings shirt.

what i'd really want to see though is the actual cut bottom. the assumption is that it was cut sometime during '75, while hunter was playing. if that's the case, then that was a long time ago and the jersey would have presumably gone through many a team washing after it was cut. that's the legit scenario. the illegitimate scenario is that it was cut more recently/long after hunter stopped using it.

if it was cut during '75 for some legit purpose and sustained many a subsequent washing, i'd like to see the edges of the cut. specifically, i'd like to see if the edges are sharp or if they show some minor fraying where the threads have started to disassemble. the original hem on the bottom prevented the threads from fraying. i think if you took a jersey, cut the bottom, and then subjected it to rigorous use and a multitude of harsh washings, the unhemmed edges would become somewhat frayed, loose, and it may even be possible for the cut edges to start curling up. given the massive wear shown on the rest of the jersey, it'd be accurate to expect the edges to show the same degree of wear.
conversely, if you took a jersey, cut it, and never subjected to any use afterwards, the edges would be pretty sharp and intact. i suppose for me, a big question would be how worn are the edges? it would tell me if it had likely been cut legitimately during '75 or if it had been cut long after and never used after the cut.

rudy.

[lund6771]

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Great Point Rudy!!!

[suave1477]

Re: Catfish Hunter Yankees jersey?

mears discusses this jersey here:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/426247/message/1202576507/Hunter+Jersey+in+Mastro%27s+Auction

the assumption all around seems to be that it's a '75 rawlings shirt.

what i'd really want to see though is the actual cut bottom. the assumption is that it was cut sometime during '75, while hunter was playing. if that's the case, then that was a long time ago and the jersey would have presumably gone through many a team washing after it was cut. that's the legit scenario. the illegitimate scenario is that it was cut more recently/long after hunter stopped using it.

if it was cut during '75 for some legit purpose and sustained many a subsequent washing, i'd like to see the edges of the cut. specifically, i'd like to see if the edges are sharp or if they show some minor fraying where the threads have started to disassemble. the original hem on the bottom prevented the threads from fraying. i think if you took a jersey, cut the bottom, and then subjected it to rigorous use and a multitude of harsh washings, the unhemmed edges would become somewhat frayed, loose, and it may even be possible for the cut edges to start curling up. given the massive wear shown on the rest of the jersey, it'd be accurate to expect the edges to show the same degree of wear.
conversely, if you took a jersey, cut it, and never subjected to any use afterwards, the edges would be pretty sharp and intact. i suppose for me, a big question would be how worn are the edges? it would tell me if it had likely been cut legitimately during '75 or if it had been cut long after and never used after the cut.

rudy.

Rudy well before we start looking into when the jersey was cut, my point from before is this. That I have witnessed an actual Hunter Game Used Yankees Jersey and as someone else pointed out here that there was another Hunter Jersey available through an auction and neither one was cut. So my question is. Did Hunter even cut his Jerseys? Wouldn't this be a normal practice if he did, with all his Jerseys? If you want to argue maybe he was trying it out to see how it feels. Wouldnt he have tried it out years earlier when he was with the A's?

[kingjammy24]

Re: Catfish Hunter Yankees jersey?

Wouldnt he have tried it out years earlier when he was with the A's?

there's always a first time for everything. i don't believe that everything a player tries during the course of their career is necessarily done at the beginning. i believe players try many things throughout the entire course of their careers. habits change over time.

in lieu of getting some first-hand knowledge from someone who spoke to hunter about this issue, it seems the only feasible alternative would be to try to determine whether the cut seems new or old.

rickey henderson was known to have the bottom of his jerseys custom hemmed. i've seen a jays jersey (1993) of his with a custom hem as well as mariners and dodgers jerseys with custom hems. personally, i've never seen a pre-1993 jersey of his with a custom hem but i don't know when he began the practice. it'd be silly for me to say 1993 based solely on the fact that that's the first time i personally saw one. for all i know, i've never seen a legit pre-93 henderson gamer. however, i've also seen legit henderson gamers without a custom hem. apparently, rickey didn't have it done to all of his jerseys.

maybe hunter tried it out once. maybe the first time he tried it out was with the yankees. maybe someone on the yankees gave him the idea whereas noone on the A's did. it's impossible to know. it seems the only thing you can do with any certainty is look at the cut itself. at least if it the cut looks like it played through the '75 season, it's a promising sign whereas if it looks like it was cut yesterday, it's a red flag.

rudy.

[Eric]

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Seems like someone went nuts with the shears. Here's a Gaylord Perry jersey on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320215787428&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

tail cut out. nameplate cut out too

[b.heagy]

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dang card companies !