Sid Luckman jersey auction

[RKGIBSON]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Trsent,

Your trying to discredit the jerseys translates into, your raising a legitamate question, is going to cost me money.

In my opinion the only thing that matters here is, was Sid Luckman the last player to wear this jersey in a game as it is now with the number changed to his. If the number was changed prior to him wearing it, is only a part of the history of this jersey. I do not see that as a negative. If the number was changed to Luckman's and he in fact never really wore this jersey is the only issue, and a big one. We are back to the provenace, do you believe it?

Roger
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[CollectGU]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

I was stating a fact that has not been mentioned to date. I understand the original eBay seller may not know what a number change is, but before we get all hyped, thinking this is a $100,000 jersey, it should be brought to the public's attention that this jersey has a legitimate number change which will affect the value.

A number change doesn't necessarily affect value when it is institiuted by the team during the time period used, because it makes the numbers original to their use on the field. Number changes that involve restorations to bring the jersey back to it's original on-field state done after the jersey has been retired from field use are very different and do certainly detract from value.

Regards,
Dave

[lund6771]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Since I have been told in private email that I was trying to discredit the Sid Luckman jersey - I thought it best to post here that is not the case.

I was stating a fact that has not been mentioned to date. I understand the original eBay seller may not know what a number change is, but before we get all hyped, thinking this is a $100,000 jersey, it should be brought to the public's attention that this jersey has a legitimate number change which will affect the value.

Joel, why even bring this up until the auction catalogue comes out?

I'd see how it is described by AMI and then I'd start talking about disclosures...

to me it also seems like your trying to discredit the piece, but that's just the way I'm reading it

anyways...have you seen it for yourself?

Have a good weekend!!!

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Since I have been told in private email that I was trying to discredit the Sid Luckman jersey - I thought it best to post here that is not the case.

I was stating a fact that has not been mentioned to date. I understand the original eBay seller may not know what a number change is, but before we get all hyped, thinking this is a $100,000 jersey, it should be brought to the public's attention that this jersey has a legitimate number change which will affect the value.

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

It was the 1940's and number changes back then were normal to see on a jersey, shoudln't hurt the value or scare away any bidders, especially not with traceable provenance. If one player didn't make the team the jerseys would be recycled to another player and not discarded. What is important is that the number change was vintage and team instituted, and that the jersey with it's changed numbers was then used by that player during the referenced period. I'm sure any info. on the jersey will be disclosed at auction.

Regards,
Dave

Dave, I just had a discussion with an associate and this jersey was brought up in discussion. I asked him about number changes for vintage jerseys of this nature. He gave me some interesting comments which I took notes from.

It was normal back then for jerseys to have number changes, but it still does affect the value tremendously. From his discussions with people in the hobby about this jersey since he saw it listed on eBay, he determined that an original Sid Luckman jersey should bring $50,000 through $75,000 at a major auction house. He then determined that such a jersey with a number change may only be worth $10,000 through $20,000.

When the seller on eBay was offered $27,500 or so, he had not disclosed a number change from all I can tell. I think my friend's guess for what a jersey is worth from this era with a number change may be on the low side, but at the same time this information needs to be disclosed as it does affect the value of the jersey.

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

It was the 1940's and number changes back then were normal to see on a jersey, shoudln't hurt the value or scare away any bidders, especially not with traceable provenance. If one player didn't make the team the jerseys would be recycled to another player and not discarded. What is important is that the number change was vintage and team instituted, and that the jersey with it's changed numbers was then used by that player during the referenced period. I'm sure any info. on the jersey will be disclosed at auction.

Regards,
Dave

Dave, I understand it was a common practice, I just have not seen or heard anyone stating that this jersey appears to have a number change. This is something that should be disclosed to any potential bidders, right?

[CollectGU]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

That is great, but did you notice if there was a number change as I was told there was on this jersey? No one has publicly disclosed this information anywhere yet and I assume it is something that should be disclosed sometime, somewhere.

It was the 1940's and number changes back then were normal to see on a jersey, shoudln't hurt the value or scare away any bidders, especially not with traceable provenance. If one player didn't make the team the jerseys would be recycled to another player and not discarded. What is important is that the number change was vintage and team instituted, and that the jersey with it's changed numbers was then used by that player during the referenced period. I'm sure any info. on the jersey will be disclosed at auction.

Regards,
Dave

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

There are a few white specs on the*jersey and my*Dad asked Sid what that was from.* "I painted in it," said Luckman.

[lund6771]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

That is great, but did you notice if there was a number change as I was told there was on this jersey? No one has publicly disclosed this information anywhere yet and I assume it is something that should be disclosed sometime, somewhere.

I did not notice anything

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

I saw this jersey at the National and it is absolutely beautiful and so well preserved...it has to be one of the best football jerseys ever auctioned/sold...

I bet it goes huge!!!!

That is great, but did you notice if there was a number change as I was told there was on this jersey? No one has publicly disclosed this information anywhere yet and I assume it is something that should be disclosed sometime, somewhere.

[lund6771]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Just curious, I was talking about this jersey with an associate, and he told me that he has been told that the Sid Luckman jersey is real, game used and worn by Sid Luckman but that the jersey has a team number change and it may not be all original.

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

I saw this jersey at the National and it is absolutely beautiful and so well preserved...it has to be one of the best football jerseys ever auctioned/sold...

I bet it goes huge!!!!

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Just curious, I was talking about this jersey with an associate, and he told me that he has been told that the Sid Luckman jersey is real, game used and worn by Sid Luckman but that the jersey has a team number change and it may not be all original.

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

[lund6771]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

I just received an email from American Memorabilia:

American Memorabilia is proud to announce the upcoming auction offering: 1946-47 Sid Luckman game-worn jersey -- undoubtedly one of the finest Hall of Fame quarterback jerseys ever. Luckman could be considered the father of the pass. To our knowledge this is the first Luckman game worn jersey ever offered.
The Luckman jersey will be on display at the National in Chicago next week as will other September features. We will be accepting high end consignments for our upcoming auctions at the National. Bring us your best as the September auction is already filling up with many museum quality items.
American Memorabilia will be at booths 1017, 1019, 1116 and 1118 at this year&rsquo,s preeminent convention. The show runs July 30- Aug. 3 at the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont.
To set up an appointment with Victor *or* Kieta please call their toll free cell phone 866-411-7575.

Best Wishes,
AMI Staff

AMI is not exactly the company I'd choose for this jersey, but I guess they presented the best deal.

Uh-Oh!!!!

[karamaxjoe]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

I just received an email from American Memorabilia:

American Memorabilia is proud to announce the upcoming auction offering: 1946-47 Sid Luckman game-worn jersey -- undoubtedly one of the finest Hall of Fame quarterback jerseys ever. Luckman could be considered the father of the pass. To our knowledge this is the first Luckman game worn jersey ever offered.
The Luckman jersey will be on display at the National in Chicago next week as will other September features. We will be accepting high end consignments for our upcoming auctions at the National. Bring us your best as the September auction is already filling up with many museum quality items.
American Memorabilia will be at booths 1017, 1019, 1116 and 1118 at this year&rsquo,s preeminent convention. The show runs July 30- Aug. 3 at the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont.
To set up an appointment with Victor *or* Kieta please call their toll free cell phone 866-411-7575.

Best Wishes,
AMI Staff

AMI is not exactly the company I'd choose for this jersey, but I guess they presented the best deal.

[mvandor]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Hello Javabob123,

You are 1 very lucky person having a jersey like that 1.

I know its hard to resist when every1 and auction houses too are offering $$$ for the jersey.
I look at it this way, why let some1 else have the pleasure of having it in their private collection, where it will only be viewd by their family, friends and any1 that swing by their place.

Your Jersey is Truly a piece of History.
Its should be in the Hall Of Fame, so every1 could view it.

From the pic earlier in this thread it looks like the Hall already has one nearly identical to this jersey - without the paint spots.