Mastro - Psa/dna

[trsent]

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So, if I own my own authenticating service I should start an anonymous web site to bash the other authenticating services privately.

Sorry, I missed that part of the note, I will further investigate your facts with the closed auction, but still, you are saying you want people to bash others with no attribution to who is doing the bashing and what their hidden agenda is.

I understand, in this case it is to make up for the fact that someone doesn't like the fact that other services will not authenticate their endless supply of Mickey Mantle autographs.

So, you are saying you like a web site that posts their "investigative" reporting with no attribution to who published it. That is the USA way, I understand. Let people abuse others and not stand behind their "facts and findings".

Finally, where does the Autograph Alert article state the June date? I see the article, written by no one, is dated August 8, 2008. It says:

"Here is one more reason to understand why 3rd party authenticators are incompetent. Read the following. Again we can refer to the current Mastro Auctions. Lot number 2071, Andrew Johnson Military appointment. That short description alone sends up a red flag to anyone who has even limited experience handling signed presidential items. Who doesn’t know most of these documents are not hand signed by President Johnson? It appears only Steve Grad, John Reznikoff and Zack Rullo at PSADNA don’t know!"

It clearly states the current Mastro auction. No where in their anonymous article do they state a date of June 26, 2008. How is anyone to review this with no web page up and it not in the "current" Mastro auction?

If you are going to defend people who do not sign their writings, please do not embellish their posts with dates that they do not give. On August 8, 2008 they posted this from the current Mastro Auction.

Do not put words in the mouths of those who do not have the balls to sign their postings - Oh yeah, and who are just trying to bash their competition since they own their own 3rd party authenticating service.

[sammy]

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Joel,

Since you seem uptight about this, perhaps some further review will lessen your blood pressure.

The "current" Mastro auction did not start until August 11, not August 8. Perhaps the post was written during the previous Mastro auction and not posted on their site until August 8. Simple solution.

You will have to get a catalog for the June auction to view Lot 2071.

Sorry you are having such a problem with this, and it is nice to see you have not changed since you quit this site and went to MEARS.

Glad to see you missed us.

[CollectGU]

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Here is a website that bashes the owner of autograph alert as a possible forger? Sounds like it's a bunch of sour grapes with hidden agendas from both these sites:

http://autographdealernews.com/Articles.aspx?article=11

Regaqrds,
Dave

[trsent]

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Here is a website that bashes the owner of autograph alert as a possible forger? Sounds like it's a bunch of sour grapes with hidden agendas from both these sites:

http://autographdealernews.com/Articles.aspx?article=11

Regaqrds,
Dave

Dave, great find there. It helps back-up my claims that there is something wrong with the Autograph Alert web site.

Joel,

Since you seem uptight about this, perhaps some further review will lessen your blood pressure.

The "current" Mastro auction did not start until August 11, not August 8. Perhaps the post was written during the previous Mastro auction and not posted on their site until August 8. Simple solution.

You will have to get a catalog for the June auction to view Lot 2071.

Sorry you are having such a problem with this, and it is nice to see you have not changed since you quit this site and went to MEARS.

Glad to see you missed us.

Sorry, you feel that my emotions ruin our discussion and debate. You like a web site run by people hiding and playing a serious game against businesses that are public and will accept any questions if asked if them directly. I do not like this web site, and I feel the facts make my arguments valid.

I am also sorry you have to take my side personally and comment on any changes I have made. Do you not have any clue how my life has changed, so please worry about the topic and don't get defensive.

[sammy]

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Joel,

You surprise me, but then again, not really.

The site you claim is a "great find" and "helps back-up my claims" is doing the same thing you grind the Autograph Alert web site for. Who wrote the articles on that site Joel? There isn't any name attached, and the owner of the site is hiding behind a proxy company.

Joel, since you say you like to have an open discussion, who told you about some "agenda" and who is your source at PSA/DNA that you "asked"

"I have been told that Mike Frost and Steve Koschal have had an agenda against PSA/DNA for years. I asked someone at PSA/DNA about this web site, and they told me they have never been contacted by Autograph Alert about their concerns and claims on their web site. I know this web site often mentions that they contacted PSA/DNA about their concerns, but PSA/DNA says they have no record of any such mature contact."

Let's see some names to back up your "facts" Joel. Perhaps your anonymous source at PSA has not been contacted, but there are a lot of people at PSA/DNA. Did you contact all of them and verify your "facts"?

Also, since you claim this statement as a fact, who is your anonymous source, once again, to back this claim up?

"Finally, in asking around, I have been told that Mike Frost has had issues with his unlimited supply of Mickey Mantle autographs dating back to around twenty years ago that maybe his issue with PSA/DNA is due to the fact that PSA/DNA does not believe his autographs to be genuine."

Joel, perhaps you have misunderstood my writings. I am not getting defensive about you personally. It was a simple statement concerning the last time you left this site and vowed not to post on here anymore. Since you were so lonely at the MEARS site and decided to come back here, I was just welcoming you back and stating I was glad to see you haven't changed.

If you are going to slam one site for being anonymous, don't use another anonymous site and anonymous sources to defend your statements.

Tacky Joel, tacky.

[admin_old]

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Gentlemen,

It looks like this thread has the potential to get personal. If you would like to post anything that is of benefit to the community please feel free to do so. However, as per the rules and for the benefit of others on the forum, please make sure your posts focus on issues that affect the hobby and not anything personal.

Thanks in advance.

[CollectGU]

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Joel,


The site you claim is a "great find" and "helps back-up my claims" is doing the same thing you grind the Autograph Alert web site for. Who wrote the articles on that site Joel? There isn't any name attached, and the owner of the site is hiding behind a proxy company.

Sammy,

I think Joel's point is that you should not take everything from the site you have mentioned on here numerous times for reference as legitimate objective news without agenda as he has shown there is probable cause for an agenda.

Regards,
Dave

[trsent]

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I am being accused of making up facts and contact? I do not have to give anything to my end of the debate than what I have offered. I did my homework and made my claim based on facts and research. I don't have to post any more than the truth that I posted.

Oh well, some people when they don't like the truth they look for holes in a person's discussion pulling at worthless thoughts and a personal attack that I do not know why it remains on the forum. Admin made a warning, but I thought they edited posts that veer off a discussion and are a personal attack.

Finally, Sammy, though I do not agree with your stance, if you would make your points and not bring up personal attacks your side of this discussion would seem much more mature and realistic.

[mvandor]

Re: Mastro - Psa/dna

Gentlemen,

It looks like this thread has the potential to get personal. If you would like to post anything that is of benefit to the community please feel free to do so. However, as per the rules and for the benefit of others on the forum, please make sure your posts focus on issues that affect the hobby and not anything personal.

Thanks in advance.

I can't help but find it a bit ironic that one of the points of this thread is about hidden identities and suddenly we have a faceless "Admin" post rather than one of the known admins posting with there own ID...

[bigtruck260]

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After reading both sides, I have come to a grand conclusion....

This is EXACTLY why I do not collect autographs anymore. Even the most highly regarded dealers are eventually branded as forgers - and the reality it seems is that everyone is considered suspect at some point. One accusation of forgery ruins credibility forever (almost always).

I think that is why I made the switch to GU stuff. It is just easier for me to find experts who will offer advice at no charge - and to pass if I don't feel good about it. The truth is, autographs can vary so much from some people (see A. Pujols) that even the best "authenticators" are wrong at least a few times in their careers - whether they want to admit it or not. Those mistakes can be embarassing and costly to the buyer/seller.

Bats are a little harder to forge than an 8x10 or baseball...there are more components than just a variation on a letter or slant.

Both sides were presented here, and it just solidified my personal stance that unless you see something signed - or it comes from UDA, Steiner or a MAJOR company that is renowned for authenticity, pass on it.

[shoremen44]

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Dave,
Great points...and I agree 100%.

I do have some signed stuff, but almost all of the individual stuff has been signed in front of me. I do have team balls as they are a little tought to fake.

I also agree that the varyation in signatures around some guys is huge... to your example I have 3 autographed Pujols bats, and all three are vastly different.

[sammy]

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Well, it has been a lively and interesting debate, but it is time to close this one out.

Until next time Joel, take care and I wish you the best.

It is always fun debating with you.

[RICHIE RICH]

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Michael Frost & Mickey Mantle..
Where is Grad & Mickey???????
www.paasautographs.com
Mike Frost: President of Professional Autograph Authentication Services . President of Collectables of the Stars established in New York in 1982. Mike Frost was the first to have Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, Willie Mays and Duke Snider for in-store signings. Mike Frost formed a close friendship with Mickey Mantle, Muhammad Ali and many other superstars during the 1980's and 1990's. Mike Frost is a co-founder and past President of the International Autograph Collectors Club & Dealer Alliance, first President of the Gold Coast Autograph Club, and recipient of the UACC Certificate of Appreciation Award (1991).
Mike Frost has been featured on The Maury Povich Show, Geraldo Rivera Show, Hard Copy, The Howard Stern Show, HBO, and Showtime. Mike Frost is one of the premier authenticators for the Topps Company. Mike Frost has over 30 years experience in the autograph industry and is one of the few universally respected authorities. Mike has worked with and authenticated for some of the biggest sports memorabilia companies and auction houses in the world.
Mike Frost has obtained over 45,000 autographs in person and has authenticated over 7500 autographs. Michael Frost is a true pioneer in the autograph hobby and autograph authentication industry. Mike Frost has worked hand and hand with 100's of athletes and celebrities with private signings and personal appearances.

[otismalibu]

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Two legends.

Mickey Mantle & Ron Jeremy.