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  • TNTtoys
    Moderator
    • Aug 2006
    • 2618

    Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

    Game used 2000 Rey Ordonez jersey on ebay...



    This one appears to be one of the many correctly tagged Rawlings team issued blanks from the 2000-2001 era. We have seen many of these later customized as star players like Mike Piazza, John Franco, Al Leiter, etc. The tipoff is usually a "wrong size" (e.g. Piazza jerseys in size 42). This one is no exception, as Ordonez was not a size 40.
    The even bigger eyesore here is the NOB, because it would be the only Ordonez jersey of this era I have ever seen that is missing the "~" above the N in his last name -- which of course would be a detail that an after-market customizer would not concern himself with.

    I have contacted the seller to inform him of this discrepancy, and he did reply promptly; however, days have gone by with no action (amendment to auction description, etc.) leading me to believe that he's just going to let it ride, hoping that it gets snatched up by someone unknowing.

    By the way, the description notes that the jersey has already sold but the high bidder did not pay for it. Perhaps the high bidder realized that it is "not as described" before paying?
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  • cbb5
    Member
    • Nov 2005
    • 77

    #2
    Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

    Another tip off is the cut size tag. I assume they were cut by the clubhouse staff before unloading so as to tell. It's on every one that I've ever seen.

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    • Metsfan808
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 181

      #3
      Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

      Here's another problem. In the 2000 season every jersey was customized by Stitches. (Now Majestic does most of them) Stitches does not sew the numbers the way they have been sewn on that jersey. That jersey has every layer sewn on through the jersey. Stitches sews the numbers together and then sews them on the jersey. There shold only be one full line of sewing white or orange depending on the jersey and a lot of small lines of stitcheing where the shadow is in orange or black depending on the jersey. That jersey was sewn by someone other than Stitches and therefore could never have been worn in a game by Ordonez.
      __________________________________________________ _______________
      Always looking for any Edgardo Alfonzo game used stuff!
      cfiguer5@yahoo.com

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      • metsbats
        Moderator
        • Nov 2005
        • 3840

        #4
        Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

        Nick,

        This is the same seller who listed the issued gift Strawberry 86 reunion jersey as "game used". After I informed him he ended the listing but then told me not to email him anymore.

        David
        metsbats86@aol.com

        Always looking for 1973,1986,1988,1999,2000,2006 game used Mets post season and Bobby M. Jones and Ed Hearn NY Mets game used bats.

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        • Swoboda4
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 1621

          #5
          Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

          Metsfan808-this is important, how certain are you that Stitches doesn't double sew the numbers. I brought two jerseys to Stitches once and they couldn't gaurantee it was used but they were certain they made it. They had a formula for the distance between the bottom of the letter to the top of the number on the back. Along with a lady(from stitches) that sewed the 9-11-01 embroidery on the sleeve who said that was defintely her work-that jersey was double stitched on the numbers. The black was stitched and then the blue.

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          • Metsfan808
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 181

            #6
            Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

            Originally posted by Swoboda4
            Metsfan808-this is important, how certain are you that Stitches doesn't double sew the numbers. I brought two jerseys to Stitches once and they couldn't gaurantee it was used but they were certain they made it. They had a formula for the distance between the bottom of the letter to the top of the number on the back. Along with a lady(from stitches) that sewed the 9-11-01 embroidery on the sleeve who said that was defintely her work-that jersey was double stitched on the numbers. The black was stitched and then the blue.
            Stitches heat presses all their numbers together and then sews the blue layer to the bottom layer. When they sew it on their should only be one outline of the number and then a stitch line where the drop shadow is like this:


            If you look at that jersey every layer of the tackle twill looks like it is sewn on to the jersey
            __________________________________________________ _______________
            Always looking for any Edgardo Alfonzo game used stuff!
            cfiguer5@yahoo.com

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            • Swoboda4
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2005
              • 1621

              #7
              Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

              O.K. Mine does have the stitching like you said. I thought you meant heat pressed and one stitching visible,but yes, mine has two sets of stitching like yours. Let me show you, as mine is from the 2000 season in question. I have questions at the end of the photos,if you will.



              I purchased this from B+E Collectibles. As soon as I got it I realized,and I mentioned this before,that the "tails" of the jersey were cut off and the jersey bottom sewn straight across. I believe I've seen this on another Ventura but has anyone else? Does anyone know Ventura size during this period?

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              • dcrules01
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2005
                • 1384

                #8
                Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

                I know if I am correct there was just one size of game issued blanks in 2001 size 44.Very nice Swoboda you now have 3 jerseys in your collection that I would kill for ..Here is the 2001 this jersey was offered to me as a Gamer but the C patch is missing and another red flag was the size.Metsfan had a Alfonzo 01 same size done at Stitches for his collection with the 9-11-01 embroidery.Here are photos of the Franco maybe he will post pics of his Alfonzo.Maybe Nick can chime in..
                Looking for Doug Flynn and Joel Youngblood items.NY Mets jerseys 78-82

                Thanks Scott dcrules01@msn.com

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                • metsbats
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 3840

                  #9
                  Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

                  Scott,

                  I had a 2003 Franco with the "C" patch. It was a legit jersey and sized 44.

                  -David
                  metsbats86@aol.com

                  Always looking for 1973,1986,1988,1999,2000,2006 game used Mets post season and Bobby M. Jones and Ed Hearn NY Mets game used bats.

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                  • dcrules01
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 1384

                    #10
                    Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

                    No the jersey that was offered to me was missing the C patch..but it had the 9-11-01.Its a long story ill explain but not on the board....

                    As far as the Ventura a found a site and the site is offering a Game Issued Yankees 2002 sz 48 2+ length...

                    I did a search on the form Swoboda funny thing is when you purchased that jersey I had a question about that same jersey...
                    Looking for Doug Flynn and Joel Youngblood items.NY Mets jerseys 78-82

                    Thanks Scott dcrules01@msn.com

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                    • metsbats
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 3840

                      #11
                      Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

                      Originally posted by dcrules01
                      No the jersey that was offered to me was missing the C patch..but it had the 9-11-01.Its a long story ill explain but not on the board....

                      As far as the Ventura a found a site and the site is offering a Game Issued Yankees 2002 sz 48 2+ length...

                      I did a search on the form Swoboda funny thing is when you purchased that jersey I had a question about that same jersey...

                      I see Scott. The "C" patch missing is definitely a red flag. However you mention that the another red flag was the size. Franco did wear 44 was all i was saying.

                      Regards
                      -David
                      metsbats86@aol.com

                      Always looking for 1973,1986,1988,1999,2000,2006 game used Mets post season and Bobby M. Jones and Ed Hearn NY Mets game used bats.

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                      • Metsfan808
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 181

                        #12
                        Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

                        That Franco jersey was customized by Stitches for some guy in NC. He bought them on eBay from a guy selling these sent them to Stitches and then sold them on eBay. I picked one up and I had it made into an Alfonzo. If you look at it it is the same jersey, same size.



                        __________________________________________________ _______________
                        Always looking for any Edgardo Alfonzo game used stuff!
                        cfiguer5@yahoo.com

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                        • dcrules01
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 1384

                          #13
                          Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

                          Originally posted by metsbats
                          I see Scott. The "C" patch missing is definitely a red flag. However you mention that the another red flag was the size. Franco did wear 44 was all i was saying.

                          Regards
                          -David
                          Wow a 44 that seems small I did not know that..
                          Looking for Doug Flynn and Joel Youngblood items.NY Mets jerseys 78-82

                          Thanks Scott dcrules01@msn.com

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                          • Swoboda4
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 1621

                            #14
                            Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

                            So,B+E told you Ventura preferred his jersey shortened. I hope so. Because next Saturday I'm going to show the jersey to Ventura and I better hear the same. Just in case,anyone have directions for Thornwood,N.Y.?

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                            • dcrules01
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 1384

                              #15
                              Re: Yet another Mets jersey with problems...

                              I asked the question on the form..I was relatively new to the hobby..I love that jersey though..Ill keep searching tonight maybe ill find something to be more help..
                              Looking for Doug Flynn and Joel Youngblood items.NY Mets jerseys 78-82

                              Thanks Scott dcrules01@msn.com

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