Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

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    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 546

    #16
    Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

    btw, did you win that great looking bengals gamer on ebay? it was a tak29 with a full cage dungard - sold for $600+ last month or so...Yes, great helmet.

    some other helmet notes...

    - didn't realize you had a website with gamers for sale, it's very nice. Yes, have listed helmets that are not "keepers." I have many more to go, but just no time and no HTML ability...

    - i've been loking for a vintage tk5, recently found one on ebay and made the seller a reasonable offer (which i don't do very often, contact an ebay sellers that is) - he turned me down, said he was in need of money and thought it would go for more. i ended up winning it for half what i offered - there was zero interest in the helmet (or it flew under the radar) and i got a great deal. Yes, you got an awesome deal on that helmet. I meant to bid on it and missed it. I was glad to see that you got it, and at the price you did.

    - recession? what recession? vintage riddell helmet lamps have been going for some good $$$ - with and without the lamp parts. a great looking rams lamp (complete) just sold for $400+, a redskins and cowboys lamp shell (without lamp parts) just sold for $300 and $400 respectively and a patriots lamp shell with a helmet hut reproduction suspension unit just sold for $500. Yes, I saw those prices. Quite high for helmet lamps...

    - is ebayer "canton_collectibles" a forum member? he lists some nice helmets on ebay. he also picks up helmets on ebay and relists them with a buy-it-now at 3 times his purchase price using long-term auctions.

    - my nicest, most recent pick up - a 1964 rk2 giants gamer. lots of game wear, a real beauty. now if i can just get my hands on some quality thin-mil number decals, a "1" and a "4" would be nice, and a black magic marker...

    - a griese/hadl dungard is getting a lot of attention on ebay - and it's bent to hell. It looks like a factory bend to me. Most had that bend in the middle of the lower bar, that kind of formed a "v" shape.

    - a few months ago i was asked to look at a gamer said to have once belonged to a hall of famer. great looking lid, a ton to like, but one of the rivets didn't look right even though this player was known to have worn a helmet with a modified rivet, which could be seen in photos. so the problem was not that the rivet was modified but the way it was mounted - very odd, not done with a standard helmet rivet tool and it seemed debatable whether or not it could hold up. lampson, who apparently loa'd the helmet, explained that it was in fact a shoulder pad rivet and that this team was known to do this. taking another look at it, it was clear that it was indeed a shoulder pad rivet. i'm telling you, lampson does know his shat...Lou has some of those rivets in his suitcase...
    Buying game used helmets of Packers - all eras as well as game used helmets of HOFers or future HOFers.

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    • mvandor
      Banned
      • Apr 2007
      • 1032

      #17
      Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

      Seller has made it clear to me he's sticking to his LOA and sale, facts be damned. Just FYI for all here.

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      • aeneas01
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 1128

        #18
        Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

        Originally posted by mvandor
        Seller has made it clear to me he's sticking to his LOA and sale, facts be damned. Just FYI for all here.
        imo the helmet never belonged to allen - and i also think it's pretty obvious that it's simply not his sb18 lid. if you look at images of allen through the years (getty, wire, film footage), you would be very hard pressed to find a single instance of him sporting a shell with the side facemask clips mounted so closely to the helmet's front edge. the drill hole locations found on the ebay helmet seem to imply the mounting of a facemask that was too small for the shell - for example a red dot schutt mounted to a large riddell cell helmet. or perhaps reverse clips although even reverse clips aren't normally mounted so closely to a helmet's edge.

        the top two photos show allen during his sb18 season - note where the side facemask clip screws are mounted. below are two photos of the ebay lid - the red dots roughly indicate where the clip screws should be.





        Yes, great helmet.
        congrats - that is a beauty...

        Yes, have listed helmets that are not "keepers." I have many more to go, but just no time and no HTML ability...
        although not the rarest of lids, you do have some nice helmets displayed.

        Yes, I saw those prices. Quite high for helmet lamps...
        i wouldn't say the prices were quite high - i've seen them often go for this amount in the past (especially rams, vikings and lions). i was just surprised that given the supposed state of the economy, collectors were still willing to shell out this amount for these type of pieces - especially considering they can go for around $100 or so...

        It looks like a factory bend to me. Most had that bend in the middle of the lower bar, that kind of formed a "v" shape.
        i was actually referring to the mounting area, not the factory bend. it looked like it had been additionally bent, manually, to fit a certain size helmet (which was required with dungards given they were not offered in different sizes). bending these babies is no easy task - i know, i've done it! btw it ended up selling for $180 - not too shabby. earlier this year i passed on a youth helmet mounted with the same facemask - the helmet alone was worthless. i think it ended up selling for around $40 - i should have pulled the trigger!

        btw ebayer "canton_collectibles" ended all of his vintage helmet auctions and relisted them with a starting price of $9.99 - coincidence?


        ...
        robert

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        • helmets
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2008
          • 546

          #19
          Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

          Yes, I noticed ol' CC relisted with no BIN. I've bought two helmets from him in the last month. I think they were both "ID Private" so you didn't know it was me that pulled the trigger. -- Didn't want you to think I overpaid for them. The only problem with ol' CC is that he does not accept Paypal. Pain in the arse for me to send a check, but hey, sometimes the right helmet makes it worth it...

          We need to start a thread - "Show me your NFL GU Helmet." Majority of threads are about bats. I get a warm fuzzy when I see a topic about football helmets.

          Yes, I agree on this ebay "Allen" lid. Is it just me or are the numbers on the rear in mint - new condition. The center stripe on the rear is beat, along with the helmet, but then you look at the numbers, and they are new. That is one of the reasons that I have never sold numbers, or any decals for that matter. I have received thousands of requests for numbers and decals and have turned down 99% of them. When you can't control what they are going to do with them, then you get this sort of thing. IMO it is a Raiders GU helmet, but not MA's.

          So Robert, start the thread. You have 1,000 members wanting to see some of your helmets, yet they are mysteriously tucked away for only a select few to enjoy. I will follow each one of your posts with one of my own. Then you can put the photos of mine and other members helmets into your database, and Lou can print them for his suitcase...
          Buying game used helmets of Packers - all eras as well as game used helmets of HOFers or future HOFers.

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          • mvandor
            Banned
            • Apr 2007
            • 1032

            #20
            Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

            Amazingly, this obvious fraud is up to $4,000 and hasn't cleared reserve.

            Are people so free with their money in a recession as to TRUST any listing without minimal effort to photomatch???

            Incredible.

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            • aeneas01
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 1128

              #21
              Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

              Originally posted by mvandor
              Amazingly, this obvious fraud is up to $4,000 and hasn't cleared reserve. Are people so free with their money in a recession as to TRUST any listing without minimal effort to photomatch??? Incredible.
              closed at over $5k without the reserve being met - mama mia...
              robert

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              • mvandor
                Banned
                • Apr 2007
                • 1032

                #22
                Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

                Seller is nothing but a failed crook in my book. He was provided a link to this thread and provided clear evidence he doesn't have what he thinks he has, yet all he would say to me is "stop harrassing me". I advised him to try and return it for refund to his source, yet the greedy fraud runs the auction to the end. Unbelevably, he actually lowered the reserve once but $5,000 wasn't enough to satisfy his criminal greed.

                Amazing.

                kdogtheband is a clear avoid if any of you run into him on ebay.

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                • RKGIBSON
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 581

                  #23
                  Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

                  I am bumping this tread because the owner contacted me and wants to have a conference call with the guy he bought it from tomorrow. I think the information offered up here is the best way to start the conversation. I'll keep you posted.

                  Roger

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                  • aeneas01
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 1128

                    #24
                    Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

                    Originally posted by RKGIBSON
                    I am bumping this tread because the owner contacted me and wants to have a conference call with the guy he bought it from tomorrow. I think the information offered up here is the best way to start the conversation. I'll keep you posted.

                    Roger
                    interesting.
                    robert

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                    • aeneas01
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 1128

                      #25
                      Re: Marcus Allen SB XVIII Helmet?

                      any news?
                      robert

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