Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

[MikeSharon]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

BUC
I agree that is it rare to find a seller that will give that kind of offer of full money back of ebay i am not calling him out or accusing him of anything dishonest. I am merely stating that I own 5 jerseys from the same time period, the same style and the same manufacturer they all have the goodman tags in the tails.

[buc]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

Rudy,
I agree with you that if it is zig zag, it is very suspect. I could not tell from the pics, although it does appear to be. I did find a few photos though on Heritage where it LOOKS like it is zig zag stitched, then you zoom in and it is just where it has been washed so many times the ends of the tag pill up.
Mike Sharon,
I see the tag is in the tail on ONE jersey. That however is ONE jersey versus the 5 other Ryan and Astro jerseys I have seen from the same time period with the tag in the collar. The reason I compare to the Dodgers jerseys is because you said Goodman did not place the tags in the collars of the Astro jerseys until the 1990's, which MAY WELL BE TRUE. I don't know. I'm just saying that if they tagged the Dodgers and other teams in the collar prior to 1990, why not the Astros?
I'm neither the seller or the buyer of the jersey. I'm just saying if you are going to lay the gauntlet down and call out a seller or specific jersey saying it is fake, you better know for damn sure. The seller offers a full refund if not authentic as his listing said, which is more than most on ebay, especially if they know the jersey is not real. Otherwise, calling out a seller without all the facts, or narrow minded facts at best, and you are just Charles Barkley saying Turner Gill did not get the Auburn job because of his race.

[MikeSharon]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

I dont really understand why you included DODGERS jerseys in this discussion but i will point out that the Dodgers jerseys have a double layer of material in the neck where as the Astros dont. the Dodgers jerseys tags are all sewn onto this double flap of material in the neck and the tags are not visible from the outside of the jersey. In the case of the Astros there is no double flap of material and the sewing lines and stiching would be visible from the outside of the jersey looking at the back, can you think of any major leage team that has ever had something like that? I cant.

[MikeSharon]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nolan-Ryan-Game-Used-Houston-Astros-Home-Jersey-Rare_W0QQitemZ290079334351QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item290079334351&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

check out this ryan in the e3bay stores section it has the tag in the tail

[kingjammy24]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

re: tag placement

not sure how relevant it is to use other teams jerseys to determine tag placement. in 1991, rawlings held the contracts for most MLB teams. for most teams, rawlings placed the tag on the front tail. however, i remember for the indians that year rawlings placed their tag in the collar.

rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

I don't know. But is it logical that Goodman only applied the tagging like you said for the Astros, but for the rest of these, applied the tagging in the collar?

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=37857

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=34826

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=31177

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=28484

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=31534

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=23212

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=23217

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=9346

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/A...uction_ID=9347

i don't know a thing about this collar vs. body issue. i haven't even looked into it. for me, the zig-zag stitch said it all. buc, look at every single one of those links you posted and the tags are all straight-stitched. i've never seen a legit goodman (or rawlings or wilson or russell gamer) with a zig-zag stitched mfr tag. i've seen cloth strip tags sewn with a zig-zag but not mfr tags. you can debate the whole collar vs. body issue thing all day but regardless of what conclusion you come to, the mfr tag is sewn incorrectly. let's say, purely for arguments sake, the tag on the ebay ryan is sewn in the correct position. does it even matter? it's sewn on using an incorrect stitch. this is like seeing an orioles jersey with "RIPKAN" on the back and a number 88 and we're all talking about whether or not the size is correct. if the size is incorrect it just makes it even worse but even if the size is correct, it doesn't make it good.

rudy.

[buc]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

I don't know. But is it logical that Goodman only applied the tagging like you said for the Astros, but for the rest of these, applied the tagging in the collar?

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=37857

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=34826

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=31177

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=28484

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=31534

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=23212

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=23217

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=9346

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=9347

[MikeSharon]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

bucRudy,
Ryan continued to order Goodman jerseys custom made for him after Houston began ordering from other suppliers. Did you know that his were the only Goodman jerseys ordered? Could they have been stitched differently since his were the only ones Goodman made?

from 84-at least 88 when ryan left the astros the Astros wore Goodman jerseys in 87 and 88 the got shipments of Rawlings as they had the league contract but they wore the goodmans. so far as the examples selling and being authenticated i dont know but I do want to ask this question. Is it logical that the biggest superstar on the Astros of that era would be the only player to have the tagging in the neck of his jerseys when every other player on the team has that tagging in the tail of thier jerseys or is it more logical that all the jerseys supplied to the team would have the same tagging?

[Canseco44]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

$1,063.00

Todd Ricks

[lead bat]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

Does anyone know the final price of the Ryan Rainbow that went out yesterday on ebay?

[Canseco44]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

Mikesharon so your saying this was another fake Jersey? Am I correct???

Makes me wonder DoctorLoomis what makes you feel this is such a great example????

If this is true, and the only good Astros Rainbow Ryan jerseys are tagged in the tail, then there are gonna be some pi**ed off people who bought from American Memorabilia. They have sold no less than three, with prices ranging from $3,368;$2,827; to $11,492, all with the tag in the collar. The only one they have sold with it on the tail is a non-rainbow warmup that only sold for $806!

Todd Ricks

[kingjammy24]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

Rudy,
Ryan continued to order Goodman jerseys custom made for him after Houston began ordering from other suppliers. Did you know that his were the only Goodman jerseys ordered? Could they have been stitched differently since his were the only ones Goodman made?

goodman didn't supply many MLB teams and past a certain point, it seems they pretty much only supplied ryan. when ryan was on the rangers, the entire team wore rawlings and later, russell, and ryan was still wearing goodman. so yeah, i figured his were the only goodmans ordered. when you ask if they could've been stitched differently since his were the only ones made, stitched differently than what? than all of the other jerseys goodman produced for him? the goodmans that ryan wore while on the rangers had the typical straight stitch. goodmans ordered while on the astros show the same straight stitch. this is the first goodman ryan jersey i've ever seen with a zig-zag stitched mfr tag.

rudy.

[buc]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

Rudy,
Ryan continued to order Goodman jerseys custom made for him after Houston began ordering from other suppliers. Did you know that his were the only Goodman jerseys ordered? Could they have been stitched differently since his were the only ones Goodman made?

[kingjammy24]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

According to Bushing and Kinunen, the tagging from the Memory Lane jersey (84-85) is in the neck, which matches their exemplars. If it matches the examples they have or have seen, do they own bad examples?

interesting idea isn't it? authenticating by matching it up against your other examples automatically assumes your other examples are 100% legit. if they aren't, you're just going to keep making the same errors over and over.

reminds of how lon lewis had the mcauliffe order sheets for the A's from 1968-80 and those order sheets show reggie jackson ordering only size 42 jerseys from 1972-76. no size 44s. despite that, mears has authenticated numerous jackson A's jerseys from that time period that are 44s. when confronted with the order sheets, mears justified it by saying the 44s were "in their database". [whoopdee doo. a database is only as good (or bad) as the data in it.] mears then amended one of their loas to say that "the McAuliffe order sheets show them shipping size 42 jerseys for Jackson but there are known size 44 jerseys existing.". again, it's false logic isn't it? just because 44s exist doesn't mean they're legit. anyhoo, back to the original post, there are times when mears seems to work backwards by saying that if something's in their database then it must be legit and therefore all things are measured up against their database. yeah well, nice theory but what if items in their database are bad?

anyway there's a lot of talk about whether the tag should be in the collar or the body. important fact no doubt. however, for me, i'd think the discussion would pretty much be moot in light of the fact that the tag is sewn via a zig-zag stitch. if the tag is sewn incorrectly then i don't know what other conclusions are possible. seems pretty clear cut to me.

rudy.

[buc]

Re: Nolan Ryan game used Astros rainbow jersey on ebay

According to Bushing and Kinunen, the tagging from the Memory Lane jersey (84-85) is in the neck, which matches their exemplars. If it matches the examples they have or have seen, do they own bad examples?