Questionable ESM Item on ebay

[trsent]

Re: Questionable ESM Item on ebay

I do think it is possible that maybe Ricky wrote the wrong letter but I really doubt it. I don't think that Ricky ever played in an NLCS his whole career, and I know he never did as an Astro. So I find it hard to think that Ricky would sign a bat with NLCS. Regardless, the bat is now inked up stating that it was used in the NLCS when it never was.

You are correct, Ricky played in three NL Divisional Series in his career - 1997, 1998 and 1999 - All losing contests. 4-28 (.143), 1 run scored, no extra base hits and 7 walks. A .333 on base average in the post season is his only positive stat. Oh yeah, he did have one stolen base.

What I believe you are missing is that Ricky Gutierrez may not care or know the difference from NLCS and NLDS when stating an item to be game used. I would assume that many players do not know the alphabet soup of postseason baseball.

[allstarsplus]

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What I believe you are missing is that Ricky Gutierrez may not care or know the difference from NLCS and NLDS when stating an item to be game used. I would assume that many players do not know the alphabet soup of postseason baseball.

Joel - I agree with your statement, and as always, honest mistakes happen. I do understand what some of the posts are saying that the sellers need to also do some research.

Is this Ricky Gutierrez a premium bat??? It is currently at $20.50 so it doesn't look like it has even eclipsed the cost of the lumber.

[trsent]

Re: Questionable ESM Item on ebay

I personally dropped out of the bidding at $7.50.

[obeyone10]

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Why does ESM and ASI never have a picture of the LOAs being signed once the information is posted in the actual LOA? Thats because they have the players sign blank LOAs and they fill in the middle however they want.
The players don't know what the heck they're writing in the middle. They could put in anything!! This is absolute forgery and fraud, moreover, they are misrepresenting the players.
Want to know how I know this? I'll email you my W2 while I worked for ASI. They have blank letters signed by numerous players.
Bryan Oberle
obeyone10@aol.com

[suave1477]

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Obeyone I am not disagreeing with you but please explain this is that is the case and the players have no idea what they are agreeing too, then why would a player specify exactly what is written on the game used item?

Example LOA - Ruben Sierra signed game used bat Yankees 2005

Game Used bat - Autographed + inscription from the player - Game Used 2005

[ChrisCavalier]

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Why does ESM and ASI never have a picture of the LOAs being signed once the information is posted in the actual LOA? Thats because they have the players sign blank LOAs and they fill in the middle however they want.
The players don't know what the heck they're writing in the middle. They could put in anything!! This is absolute forgery and fraud, moreover, they are misrepresenting the players.
Want to know how I know this? I'll email you my W2 while I worked for ASI. They have blank letters signed by numerous players.
Bryan Oberle
obeyone10@aol.com

Hello Bryan,

Let me begin by saying the accusations you posted above are very serious indeed. As such, I wanted to make sure you, and other forum members, are aware of the forum's policies that are listed on this site under "Disclaimer and Responsibilities". They are as follows:

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[skipcareyisfat]

Re: Questionable ESM Item on ebay

Brian,
Are you the same guy who posted something similar a few months ago? Those comments were deleted almost as soon as they went up, but the accusations were pretty wild as well, as I recall.

[trsent]

Re: Questionable ESM Item on ebay

Why does ESM and ASI never have a picture of the LOAs being signed once the information is posted in the actual LOA? Thats because they have the players sign blank LOAs and they fill in the middle however they want.
The players don't know what the heck they're writing in the middle. They could put in anything!! This is absolute forgery and fraud, moreover, they are misrepresenting the players.
Want to know how I know this? I'll email you my W2 while I worked for ASI. They have blank letters signed by numerous players.
Bryan Oberle
obeyone10@aol.com

Bryan, I understand your concern, but this practice is not new in the industry. I have seen in the past many times a player will leave LOAs blank for a dealer to fill in the item(s) at a later time. If a player autographs 50 baseballs, 20 jerseys and some other items, then sign blank LOAs for the items for the dealer to later fill in the item it is not "forgery and fraud" unless the dealer in question abuses the LOAs.

[ChrisCavalier]

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Bryan, I understand your concern, but this practice is not new in the industry. I have seen in the past many times a player will leave LOAs blank for a dealer to fill in the item(s) at a later time. If a player autographs 50 baseballs, 20 jerseys and some other items, then sign blank LOAs for the items for the dealer to later fill in the item it is not "forgery and fraud" unless the dealer in question abuses the LOAs.

Hello Bryan,

Joel brings up a great point here that I believe needs to be addressed further. That is, your post claims that ASI has players sign uncompleted LOAs. While that may be true (I personally have no idea how ASI does their certs), it does not prove that, as you put it, "This is absolute forgery and fraud, moreover, they are misrepresenting the players." As Joel has pointed out, it is apparently not unprecedented for players to sign uncompleted LOAS which are filled in later. That in an of itself is not proof of forgery or deception.

I have discussed this with Eric and unless you are able to provide proof of fraudulent activity, your post will need to be deleted. In addition, please keep in mind the site's "Disclaimer and Responsibilities" posted earlier on this thread.

While I have absolutely no personal interest in this situation, I have to say I think it would be inappropriate to assume any type of wrongdoing has occurred based on what has been presented thus far in this thread.

Sincerely,
Christopher Cavalier
CEO - Game Used Universe

[allstarsplus]

Re: Questionable ESM Item on ebay

Bryan, I understand your concern, but this practice is not new in the industry. I have seen in the past many times a player will leave LOAs blank for a dealer to fill in the item(s) at a later time. If a player autographs 50 baseballs, 20 jerseys and some other items, then sign blank LOAs for the items for the dealer to later fill in the item it is not "forgery and fraud" unless the dealer in question abuses the LOAs.

I would expect that there is some work done on the COA after the fact as pictures of the signing would be added to the COA.

ESM is one of the few companies that do athlete signed COAs and I would hate for them to stop doing the athlete signed letters.

With that said, Joel is right on point with his statement.

[ham1963]

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I have been reading this thread and it has been very intresting. I think if a person is intreseted in buying a jeresy and it does not matter who it is from a person should do thier homework to find out if the jersey is not a fake. If a person does thier homework what is the need of a COA or a LOA