Gino Cappaletti 1960 Helmet??

[seven4five20]

Re: Gino Cappaletti 1960 Helmet??

The completely obvious thing was that the numbers and decals look like they were produced and placed on the helmet yesterday. Also, there must be a reason why there is a towel stuffed into the helmet to shield us from seeing the inside.

[NEFAN]

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That's fine Chris, this guy has resorted to sending me nasty emails filled with profanity and threats. I was going to post it here but will not. I have blocked his emails and hopefully will not have to deal with him again.

[ChrisCavalier]

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[NEFAN]

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I saw the bid was up to $4700 when eBay ended your item. I'm sure you could have sold it for more that twice that if it were legit and you weren't such a hard person to deal with. I've been collecting and selling sports memorabilia for years and have learned alot from peoples inquiries. There have been several times when I listed items for someone that turned out to be bogus. I learned this from people asking the same kinds of questions they asked you. when someone want more pictures I sent them and not once was a fake reproduced from my photo's. When I found out an item was questionable I either changed the auction or removed it and returned the item. This only helped my rep, not hurt it.

I know you have had alot of genuine helmets, but quite frankly, I'd rather pass on a personal grail item then deal with someone who acts in this way.

I hope this was a learning experience for you in a good way.

Kevin

[helmets]

Re: Gino Cappaletti 1960 Helmet??

Ebay whacked this listing.
Gone.

[NEFAN]

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Unfortunately, eBay is full of uninformed bidders. The poor guy doesn't know what he is sinking his hard earned money in to. The Problem with eBay is they don't care if someone gets ripped off as long as they get their money.

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

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Look at the logo on the side of the helmets. On the helmet on display the white and the blue wing go right into the corner to a point. Look closely at the real helmets in the pictures. The white part of the wing does not go into the point of the blue part. I stops back a bit. ????????
Also the rivets around the single bar mask on the pictures are spread out differently than the helmet on display.

[NEFAN]

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The bid is over $4700!

[b.heagy]

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http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ENGLAND-PATRIOTS-Suspension-RK-Football-Helmet-60_W0QQitemZ260204082284QQihZ016QQcategoryZ83171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[WHAlers]

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To Mr. I had enough:

Sir, if you would take the time to re-read my post which you so readily bashed, I think you will find that I made no mention or voiced no concern over any number placement on the helmet. The white border that I refer to is the white line along the top of the hat decal. The amount of blue space that can be seen between the tip of the white line and the edge of the decal does not appear to be the same on your photo vs the actual game worn helmet.

Also, I never voice an opinion on your offered item being real or not real. I only supplied photo documentation to the members of this forum who have raised question about this item that you offer. My intent is to help fellow forum members in their attempt to make an educated decision, whether or not they decide to bid on this item.

Information is power and we all try to help each other so that someone does not made a bad decision based on a lack of information that is available to them. This hobby is a most enjoyable one and it can be an expensive one. It would be sad to see someone spend their hard earned money on an item that they are unsure of and later "may" reget making the transaction, be it your item or any other expensive piece of memorabilia in this great hobby of ours.

If you would like to assist the potential bidders on your item by providing the additional information and photos that they have requested it most likely would benifit you with your sale and them with their purchase in the end. Your choice to not supply additional photo documentation of such a rare and potentialy high priced item only leads to more speculation why that is. I understand that this is your right and your choice as a seller. However it is my right and everyone else's right as participants in this game worn forum to assist each other with information that may help them.

Lastly, let me answer the question that you posed in your posting by clearly and confidently stating that I have no intention what so ever of bidding on this item. However I will you the best of luck with your auction.

[1986&2004Bosox]

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The Patriots wore 3 different style helmets in 1960 season

Hat Logo No Numbers Pre Season
Hat Logo Blue Numbers First Few Games
Hat Logo Red Numbers Remainder of the season

The problem with black and white photos is you cant tell what color the numbers are. Logo placement could of changed with different changes but you would need to dig thru a 61 Patriots Yearbook or 1960 programs and Boston Record American or Herald Traveler Archives to be certain. The logo is different as far as length of the White outline in the two non Cappelletti photos the white ends about 1/4 inch from end of the logo, in the Cappelletti photo it extends all the way to the end. The top border on # 11 & # 83 is wider than the border on the Cappelletti. It could be that the # 11 & # 83 are the Blue early season #'s and that the logos were changed out when the red #'s were put in place??????????? I am not defending the helmet or attacking the helmet. Much more research is needed to determin what we are looking at.

[1986&2004Bosox]

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neefan drop me an email ejsamm@yahoo.com

[mvandor]

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I can't speak to legitimacy, but the seller's demeanor and comportment, small feedback history, and poor language tell me I wouldn't buy a pack of gum from him, let alone a supposed NFL relic.

[beantown]

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Here are a few photos that might help. Compare the eBay offered helmet to these photos of actual Patriots 1960's helmets. Notice that the white border accent line along the top of the Patriots hat decal appear not to be the same lenght on the eBAy helmet as on the actual game worn helmets. Also note the placement of the rivits near the single bar facemask on the eBay helmet vs the actual single bar game used helmet. Lastly it appears that the deacal on the actual game used helmet is slightly narrower from top to bottom than the eBay helmet. There may be some other differences but these 3 caught my eye.

If you compare the eBay helmet to the photo of the #83 helmet, everything seems to line up correctly. The #11 helmet has its number placed very low, which causes the Patriots helmet to sit lower, hence it doesn’t line up with the rivets the way it does on the eBay helmet and the #83 helmet. Also, the white border accent on the #83 helmet, which is slightly turned up on the end we can see, would match the eBay helmet if unfolded….just my two cents….

[ihad_enough]

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Description (revised) Here is an great looking vintage helmet. The Boston Patriots came into the AFL in 1960, and wore this style helmet only for that season. This helmet is not one of those new reproductions they come out with a few years ago. This helmet is an off white with multi layered decals, also has the # 20 on single layer vinyl, 2 painted on red stripes flanking the off white center stripe. The player that wore #20 in 1960 was Gino Cappelletti. It has a Riddell single bar facemask. I WILL NOT TAKE PAYPAL ON A HIGH PRICED ITEM LIKE THIS, PERIOD! DON'T ASK! email me for any questions. Also, I do not send pictures to picture collectors. SERIOUS INTERESTED PEOPLE ONLY ASK SERIOUS QUESTIONS. always interested in trades! what do you have? ALL SALES FINAL, PERIOD. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS, DON'T BID!!!!
Cappelletti spent his 11-year career with the Patriots, from 1960-70 as one of the original members of the squad ... A five-time AFL All-Star selection ... One of only three players to play in every game in the AFL's 10-year history ... Led the AFL in scoring five times ... Holds two of the top five scoring seasons in NFL history with 155 points in 1964 and 147 points in 1961 ... Ranks as the Patriots all-time leading scorer with 1,130 points (42 touchdowns, 176 field goals and 342 PATs ... Holds the Patriots record for extra points attempted (353), made (342), field goals attempted (334) and ranks second in field goals made (176) ... Is currently sixth on the Patriots all-time receiving list with 292 catches for 4,589 yards ... Had his #20 jersey permanently retired by the Patriots ... Selected as a member of the All-AFL 10 Year Anniversary Team in 1971 ... Named to the Patriots 35th Anniversary Team in 1994 ... Named to the Patriots Team of the Century in 2000 at both the wide receiver and kicker position ... Is currently the Patriots color analyst on WBCN's Patriots Rock Radio Network.
Gino Cappelletti

Gino Raymond Michael Cappelletti
The winner of this auction will recieve my scrapbook of pictures of players for the past 85 years from teams in the AFL American Football League, NFL National Football League, USFL United States Football League, and the WFL World Football League teams such as the Atlanta Falcons, Indianapolis Colts, Indianapolis Colts, Buffalo Bills, Chicago Cardinals, Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Rams, Cleveland Browns, Dallas Texans, Dallas Cowboys, Denver Broncos, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers,Houston Oilers, Kansas City Chiefs, Los Angeles Rams, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints, New York Giants, New York Jets, Oakland Raiders, Los Angeles Raiders, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers, St. Louis Cardinals, Phoenix Cardinals, Los Angeles Chargers, San Diego Chargers,San Francisco 49ers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Baltimore Ravens, Tennessee Titans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Houston Texans, Seattle Seahawks, Carolina Panthers, and Washington Redskins. Some of the college teams are National champion teams such as Florida Gators, LSU Tigers, Notre Dame Fighting Irish, USC Trojans, Penn State Nittanny Lions, Alabama Crimson Tide,Ohio State Buckeyes, UCLA Bruins, Michigan Wolverines,University of Pittsburgh PITT Panthers. The USFL United States Football League teams are the SAN ANTONIO GUNSLINGERS, MICHIGAN PANTHERS,BIRMINGHAM STALLIONS, CHICAGO BLITZ, LOS ANGELES EXPRESS, WASHINGTON FEDERALS, TAMPA BAY BANDITS, HOUSTON GAMBLERS, NEW JERSEY GENERALS, JACKSONVILLE BULLS, ARIZONA WRANGLERS, MEMPHIS SHOWBOATS, PHILADELPHIA / BALTIMORE STARS, OAKLAND INVADERS, BOSTON / NEW ORLEANS / PORTLAND BREAKERS, DENVER GOLD, ORLANDO RENEGADES, OKLAHOMA / ARIZONA OUTLAWS, PITTSBURGH MAULERS, The players in this scrapbook are players such as Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Archie Manning, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Larry Fitzgerald, Johnny Unitas, Sammy Baugh, Marcus Allen, Chuck Bednarik, George Blanda, Raymond Berry, Mel Blount, Earl Campbell, Len Dawson, Larry Csonka, Fred Biletnikoff, Eric Dickerson, Mike Ditka, Tony Dorsett, Dan Fouts, Frank Gifford, Otto Graham, Jack Ham, Bob Griese, Franco Harris, John Hannah, Ted Hendricks, Paul Horning, Elroy Hirsh, Sam Huff, John Henry Johnson, Deacon Jones, Jim Kelly, Charlie Joiner, Jack Lambert, Steve Largent, Yale Lary, Bobby Layne, Ronnie Lott, John Mackey, Gino Marchetti, Don Maynard, Tommy McDonald, Hugh McElhenny, Bobby Mitchell, Lenny Moore, Joe Namath, Ray Nitschke, Leo Nomellini, Alan Page, Carl Eller, Walter Payton, John Riggins, Gale Sayers, Joe Schmidt, John Stallworth, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Ernie Stautner, Lynn Swann, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Taylor, Lawrence Taylor, Y.A. Tittle, Norm Van Brocklin, Steve Van Buren, Doak Walker, Paul Warfield, Mike Webster, Randy White, Kellen Winslow, Ron Yary, Jack Youngblood, and a few photos of the Steel Curtain, Front Four, Purple People Eaters, Doomsday Defense, Orange Crush, and the Fearsome Foursome. The scrapbook is great because you can see all the different style helmets these players used throughout the years. You can see them wearing old vintage suspension helmets made by Riddell, Wilson, Rawlings HND-9 and JRC suspension helmets, Rawlings RTS suspension helmet and the very RARE Rawlings Ridge HND-9, Adams, Schutt, Bike, clear shell Macgregor, clear shell Maxpro, Medalist Gladiator. And Riddell RT-2 suspension helmet, Riddell RK-4 suspension helmet , Riddell RK-2 suspension helmet, Riddell TK-5 suspension helmet , Riddell TK-2 suspension helmet, Riddell TAK-29 suspension helmet , Riddell HA-91, Riddell HA-92, Riddell Pac-3, Riddell WD-1, Riddell AF2, Riddell VSR-1, Riddell VSR-2, Riddell VSR-3, and current Proline Riddell VSR-4. Also a scrapbook that covers the Super Bowl MVP (s) from SB 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20 ,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,3 7,38,39,40,41,42. and 43


On Jan-22-09 at 18:57:21 PST, seller added the following information:
Some know it all on the forum speaks out of both sides of his azz. In one breath he says

"Here are a few photos that might help. Compare the eBay offered helmet to these photos of actual Patriots 1960's helmets. Notice that the white border accent line along the top of the Patriots hat decal appear not to be the same lenght on the eBAy helmet as on the actual game worn helmets. Also note the placement of the rivits near the single bar facemask on the eBay helmet vs the actual single bar game used helmet. Lastly it appears that the deacal on the actual game used helmet is slightly narrower from top to bottom than the eBay helmet. There may be some other differences but these 3 caught my eye." Now I say to him! STUPID. Look at the #11, it is touching the bottom part of the earhole and the hat decal, which brings the hat decal closer to the rivits. ALSO, you are able to bring the hat decal closer to the earhole if you have a #11 on a helmet instead of a # 20, because the #20 is wider. Ever think of that STUPID! This decal is 100% dead on in size and shape. I hope you don't work fro CSI, or they should fire you. Before you knock someones item, do a little more accurate research. I have listed both helmets to show what he is using as a reference. Maybe he wants to bid on it and fool all you into thinking he knows what he is talking about.