Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

[nick1980]

What do you guys think of these "used" Bo Jackson jersey's on ebay the first one is a home jersey marked 1986 and the second one is a away jersey. The back of the away says BJACKSON instead of just JACKSON I have never seen Bo wear a jersey with his first initial.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=140300191471

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=140300193007

Please let me know what you think

[cjmedina1]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

HI

Check links below

http://www.lelands.com/bid.aspx?auctionid=505&lot=1141

This is a away jersey and the tagging looks to the same

http://www.lelands.com/bid.aspx?auctionid=412&lot=1283

The second jersey has the little Tag (44care on reverse) in a different spot.
I am not jersey expert. Maybe be some of the experts can chime in... I've been looking for a legit BO Jackson jerseys from the Royals or Angles...Hopefully someone can chime in.

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

[kingjammy24]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

HI

Check links below

http://www.lelands.com/bid.aspx?auctionid=505&lot=1141

This is a away jersey and the tagging looks to the same

http://www.lelands.com/bid.aspx?auctionid=412&lot=1283

The second jersey has the little Tag (44care on reverse) in a different spot.
I am not jersey expert. Maybe be some of the experts can chime in... I've been looking for a legit BO Jackson jerseys from the Royals or Angles...Hopefully someone can chime in.

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

both of those lelands shirts are '86 road jerseys and both have very different nobs. one has a vertical arch and the other doesn't. nice.

the with the vertical arch, from the "charlie sheen collection", sold for $3797 in dec 2004. the one without a vertical arch sold for $1726 only 6 months later. personally, i prefer the one with the vertical arch. anyway, i've never seen any photos of bo wearing a "b. jackson" jersey.

rudy.

[cjmedina1]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

Hi Rudy

Can you comment on the ebay Jersey's... Thanks in advance

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

[kingjammy24]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

here are my thoughts:

- i believe that in '86, the royals were vertically arching their nobs. (the lelands "photo-matched" jersey is not vertically arched). how the letters looked in terms of the specific degree of the vertical arch and the thickness of the letters, i don't know. it's hard to go by "exemplars" out there because almost all of the 80s royals gamers i've seen out there have restored nobs. without knowing what it's supposed to look like, it's hard to tell if the restorations are accurate or not. i saw a pic of saberhagen, supposedly from '86, that seems to show thicker lettering as opposed to the thinner style seen on their rawlings jerseys in the later 80s and early 90s. the ebay home jersey may possibly have a correct nob. it looks similar to the arch and thickness seen on the lelands "charlie sheen" jersey.

the ebay road jersey

- the nob is really screwed up. if they wanted to put "b.jackson" that's fine but they only arched the "jackson" portion of it. the "b" is straight/flat. it's almost like they weren't going to arch it but after they laid the "b" down they said "oh what the heck, let's arch the rest of it". see how the "b" seems off-kilter from "jackson"? really messed up.

- after june 17 in 1987, the royals wore the howser memorial patch. the ebay jersey has no such patch.

rudy.

[byergo]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

The "B. Jackson" NOB is correct for 1987. The Royals also had pitcher Danny Jackson on the roster which necessitated the "B." Photo is attached.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

The "B. Jackson" NOB is correct for 1987. The Royals also had pitcher Danny Jackson on the roster which necessitated the "B." Photo is attached.

excellent! there's still the issue of the "un-arched" "B" though. it seems that by 1987, rawlings was doing a very nice vertical arch. really nice stuff. not sloppy at all. what happened to the "B"?



rudy.

[byergo]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

The seller is selling items sourced directly from George Brett, including some of Brett's personal awards, so I trust the provenance.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

The seller is selling items sourced directly from George Brett, including some of Brett's personal awards, so I trust the provenance.

my favorite are the used/un-used cleats: "UP FOR AUCTION IS A PAIR OF SPOT -BILT CLEATS GIVEN TO GEORGE BY SPOT-BILT HE HAS NOT WORN THESE ON THE FIELD BUT HAS WORN THEM AROUND IN HIS HOUSE". 'ol george enjoyed wearing cleats while mowing the lawn, fixing a tuna casserole, and changing the oil in his car.

anyway byergo, not to go off-topic but this being a bo jackson thread, i remembered a comment you made awhile back about the litany of 1989 home, set 2 jackson jerseys in the marketplace here: http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ead.php?t=1556
you said "I've never seen or heard of a Scoreboard Bo game jersey for sale. The Bo jerseys look good to me, and I won't hesitate to buy one...No big conspiracy here! Point blank, I'm comfortable buying them. I'm still a buyer for this Bo material, and I'm glad others are not (keeping my price down)..."

as i recall, the specific jackson jerseys referenced in that thread came from nytrider8 / dan ceniceros. dan had several. well here it is from the very guy that was selling them:

"I Bought 10 Of These Jersey As Team Issued Pro Models From Scoreboard."

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=7853

i hope you didn't get stuck with too many of them. at the last national in anaheim, one dealer had a whole rack of them and asking $70 a pop.

rudy.

[byergo]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

Someone was able to show me documentation regarding those a long time ago and I appreciated the heads up. Forgot who it was, but they had proof on paper which was what I wanted.

BTW if somebody had a rack of those at $70 each I'd take the entire rack. They would make great autograph framed pieces for that dirt cheap price.

[byergo]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

BTW--I was the person who consigned the non Charlie Scheen 1986 baby blue jersey at Lelands. I regretted selling that jersey ever since, and especially since it didn't bring strong money compared to Charlie's.

Anyway, you really can't tell from their sub par pics but if you had the jersey in hand along with that pic you could tell it was a 100% photo match due to a loose string on the left sleeve.

So it's apparent that the Royals had all kinds of variations of their NOB during that era. And like you mentioned, many of them are restored now which further complicates the matter.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

So it's apparent that the Royals had all kinds of variations of their NOB during that era. And like you mentioned, many of them are restored now which further complicates the matter.

maybe you acquired it already restored?

in this specific instance, we're not really talking about eras. we're talking about one year in particular - 1986. both the sheen shirt and the ebay home jersey show a vertical arch. both similar in arch and thickness. the shirt you consigned to lelands wasn't a vertical arch. again, it's entirely possible that the royals, in 1986, wore both. i honestly don't know. i'm simply wondering if it's possible if the shirt you consigned was restored.

sheen had some great stuff and i imagine he obtained many items directly from players and/or agents.

rudy.

[byergo]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

I believe it was not restored, so the Royals wore different styles of NOB even in the same year. Interesting topic. One thing I've learned in this hobby is not to form opinions based on absolutes, because there are a great deal of variables.

[Lokee]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

I believe it was not restored, so the Royals wore different styles of NOB even in the same year. Interesting topic. One thing I've learned in this hobby is not to form opinions based on absolutes, because there are a great deal of variables.

Amen

[kingjammy24]

Re: Bo Jackson used Royals jersey's

One thing I've learned in this hobby is not to form opinions based on absolutes, because there are a great deal of variables.

very much agreed. however you're then left with the fundamental question of discerning a legit variable from non-legit one. if you simply say 'hey there are no absolutes' then how do you ever differentiate crap from good?

for me personally, i need proof before declaring an oddity to be legit. i need photo/video evidence of the anomaly in-action. otherwise, it's just an unsubstantiated oddity.

despite there being 20 some-odd 1989, home, set 2 jackson jerseys, all with 1990-style tagging, you said you reserved judgment on them until you saw cold, hard proof. (for me, it just seemed like common sense that jackson didn't get 20+ shirts, all set 2, and all with 1990-style tags. especially when i've never seen a 1989 road shirt of his surface. he kept all his road shirts but his home shirts exploded onto the market? none of it made any sense and it only pointed to a single logical conclusion which was they were retail/promo shirts). at any rate, why not apply the same mindset you had with the scoreboard shirts to these jackson shirts and demand proof? you see a jackson jersey with a nob that's not vertically arched and you don't need any proof at all? have you seen a single pic of any royal in '86 wearing a nob as seen on your jackson? i ask this genuinely. i had never seen a "b. jackson" jersey and now thanks to your pic i have so i'm that much smarter for it. if you've got a pic showing any royal in '86 wearing a nob that's not vertically arched, then show it. if you don't, then what are you basing your belief that the royals wore 2 different fonts on? sheer hope?

i don't know much about 80s era royals gamers. i do know that in the late 80s, they were one of the few teams to sport a vertical arch. i do know that most of the late 80s royals gamers i've seen either had the nob entirely stripped off or restored as most were sent down to the minors. i do know that a lot of bad restorations were made because it's not that easy to do a good vertical arch.

so back to the original question; when you have an oddity..a "variable".. how do you determine whether it's a legit oddity or whether the variable is odd because it's just wrong? let's face it, there are tons of garbage jerseys out there and most of them are of superstars, like jackson was. so if there are no absolutes, how do you discern between crap and legit?

rudy.