How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

[mbrieve]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

The one thing i am getting at is there is a thin line between batting practice and game used i know at slugger field for the 2 years i worked there after every bp the bases where pulled up and the field was gone over and the game bases where put in 2 totally separate sets of bases steiner is pushing it and mlb is for that matter when they say something like game used on something like a bp jersey or a warmup pullover even on there site right now they have "game-used" cage shirts like a pullover that would be used in batting cage i would like for someone to explain to me how that would be game used it was never worn in a game ....... but clearly states game used ......... enlighten me

Please, it is killing me. Just a little punctuation!

[TFig27]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

Yay! This is my bat for sale.

There is a slight crack on the back barrel that starts underneath the tape. So, there is a possibility it was used in a game, then taped up to hit some BP balls. Obviously, there is no way to know.

The "official" definition includes BP bats as "game used". But, I want my buyers to be informed and understand what they are getting. They have to make the determination of whether they want a taped barrel or not. I think the selling price will reflect one with a taped barrel and not a game used bat.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to contact me.

Thanks
Tom

TFig27@aol.com

[ryant7]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

Yay! This is my bat for sale.

There is a slight crack on the back barrel that starts underneath the tape. So, there is a possibility it was used in a game, then taped up to hit some BP balls. Obviously, there is no way to know.

The "official" definition includes BP bats as "game used". But, I want my buyers to be informed and understand what they are getting. They have to make the determination of whether they want a taped barrel or not. I think the selling price will reflect one with a taped barrel and not a game used bat.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to contact me.

Thanks
Tom

TFig27@aol.com

The start of this thread was not to belittle you. It was in reference to steiner throwing a "game-used" coa at a bat that appears used during batting practice

[Yankwood]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

I think the batting practice "game used" moniker is something that has evolved over the past 20 years or so.
In the 1970's and 1980's, there was a strict demarcation between the two and the price asked and payed was very different. Some collectors, myself for instance, had no problem with collecting batting practice bats, as long as it was differentiated from actual games by a price difference. It also depended on who the player was. I'm sure nobody here would balk if they had an opportunity to buy a Mickey Mantle batting practice bat at a fraction of the game bat price, say $150, for instance.
I currently own a muffin tin that Julia Child used in cooking school and though I would have liked an actual "dinner used" tin, it is still an important part of my Famous Chef's" collection.
In other words, it is common practice to bastardize the term "game used" these days and now becoming widely accepted..
TFig, as I can vouch for, is a very upfront trader, buyer and seller and I would deal with him again in an instant. This is the word of Yankwood.

[matt]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

I'd like to pause and welcome Ryan to the forum. As a former batboy, I value his thoughts regardless of grammar. I too was shocked years ago that the "GU" term is commonly applied to BP items, but that is the reality. However, I have never found a Steiner bat (I have bought probably 30 of them) that was not either MLB holo'ed, photomatchable, or consistent with gamer specs (i.e. use on the correct side of the barrel and not trashed or taped).

I think Steiner tries to make GU mean GU and they note which jerseys are BP and which bases are BP or bullpen. However, with the huge volume of stuff they get sent over unlabelled in boxes, I can beleive mistakes are often made. Still, a Steiner or MLB holo (which can get attributed to the wrong player on a bat!) is the best indication I have found of actual game use. I have photomatched the vast majority of them.

Welcome Ryan.

Matt

[YankeeChowda]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

I like to chip in on this... I mean, it seems like all the cool kids are doing it. But come on, look at the price.... 99 cents.... 4 gumballs worth with an extra penny to put in the jimmy fund collection. I can see you whining over this if the price was say.. 200 bucks... but 99 cents.. come on.. I would like to quote an ancient chinese proverb "Man who walk through airport door sideways is going to Bangkok"...wait wrong one, "Think before you speak", and also i'll toss in "Children are meant to be seen and not heard".
Represent.
Jim

[JETEFAN]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

Simple - because MLB standards say that anything used in bp IS game used. They use that for their auctions, so Steiner et all are just following along.

That would mean that MLB, Steiner and whom ever else uses this "standard" and is "following along" figuered out that marketing wise the term "game used" on the LOA is a great tool. My guess would be that they have no clue at all as to who, what, where and when the bat was used. It's wrong no matter how you look at it. It's either used in a game or used in BP, simple, if you have no clue, and they don't, then what it was last used for or what looks obvious should prevail.. Arod has been ripped for years and rightly so, probably from people defending MLB and Steiner for putting "game used" on everything, (BP etc.) That being said Steiner has made quite a hefty living with useless letters that offer little to no and many times wrong information. (Refer to countless past posts regarding incorrect letters). To answer the question, been bad getting worse....

George

[flaco1801]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

i never knew a major leaguer would tape a broken bat to use later in bp, i think its absurd.........

[Vintagedeputy]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

i never knew a major leaguer would tape a broken bat to use later in bp, i think its absurd.........

been happening for years....

[ryant7]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

I'd like to pause and welcome Ryan to the forum. As a former batboy, I value his thoughts regardless of grammar. I too was shocked years ago that the "GU" term is commonly applied to BP items, but that is the reality. However, I have never found a Steiner bat (I have bought probably 30 of them) that was not either MLB holo'ed, photomatchable, or consistent with gamer specs (i.e. use on the correct side of the barrel and not trashed or taped).

I think Steiner tries to make GU mean GU and they note which jerseys are BP and which bases are BP or bullpen. However, with the huge volume of stuff they get sent over unlabelled in boxes, I can beleive mistakes are often made. Still, a Steiner or MLB holo (which can get attributed to the wrong player on a bat!) is the best indication I have found of actual game use. I have photomatched the vast majority of them.

Welcome Ryan.

Matt

Thank you for the welcome Matt!

[ryant7]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

That would mean that MLB, Steiner and whom ever else uses this "standard" and is "following along" figuered out that marketing wise the term "game used" on the LOA is a great tool. My guess would be that they have no clue at all as to who, what, where and when the bat was used. It's wrong no matter how you look at it. It's either used in a game or used in BP, simple, if you have no clue, and they don't, then what it was last used for or what looks obvious should prevail.. Arod has been ripped for years and rightly so, probably from people defending MLB and Steiner for putting "game used" on everything, (BP etc.) That being said Steiner has made quite a hefty living with useless letters that offer little to no and many times wrong information. (Refer to countless past posts regarding incorrect letters). To answer the question, been bad getting worse....

George

Finally someone agrees with me thank you for your input George!

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

How do you know he did not use it in a game and then switched it into a BP bat. And the seller is a forum member here.

You mean.......1986&2004Bosox is selling this bat?

[allstarsplus]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

Simple - because MLB standards say that anything used in bp IS game used. They use that for their auctions, so Steiner et all are just following along.

100% correct. The only addition is if the seller knows it was used only in BP then it is always nice to mention that.

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

Yay! This is my bat for sale.

There is a slight crack on the back barrel that starts underneath the tape. So, there is a possibility it was used in a game, then taped up to hit some BP balls. Obviously, there is no way to know.

The "official" definition includes BP bats as "game used". But, I want my buyers to be informed and understand what they are getting. They have to make the determination of whether they want a taped barrel or not. I think the selling price will reflect one with a taped barrel and not a game used bat.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to contact me.

Thanks
Tom

TFig27@aol.com

Tom,

It is what it is. I don't think ANYONE here is in any way questioning your ethics, your auction technique, or how the bat is being presented.

I am troubled with MLB's definition of "game used". Steiner, as has been mentioned, is just following suite. And that is troubling too, as the ryant7 has eluded to in his starting this thread.

It's all in the perception. Proof.....is the responsibility of the buyer. If all that convinces you of actual game use is a picture match, it being handed over by the player, or an inscription by the player on the bat with unquestionable provenance......just move along to the next item and leave this one be. And quite frankly, I'm not saying that's a bad thing......it's what I want in MY items?

Peace fellow collectors....

Steve

[TFig27]

Re: How Bad Is Steiner Going To Get?

I appreciate all the kind words!

The bat sold tonight for $12.50.