All members, listen up...(MUST read)...

[sarahsdad]

Re: All members, listen up...(MUST read)...

The fact that this thread has gone on for this long with this much drama is truly ridiculous. I can hear the auction houses laughing at the forum from here.
sarahsdad

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: All members, listen up...(MUST read)...

suave1477....

You, simply put, are an idiot.

When did I ever say "Richard Russek is on his way out here just for me?

I simply stated that it was a coincidence that some guy well grounded in the field of our hobby, who's been throwing out there that he knows I'm in trouble with Grey Flannel, all of a sudden turns up knocking on my front door.

How do you know that he isn't friends with Mr. Russek? I don't know that he is, or he isn't. All I know is....I'm trying to reach Mr. Russek to clear this mess up, and he's spewing off I'm in trouble with him, and as it turns out, Mr. Russek is in California.

I have no idea whether any of those facts are related. Nor am I making any judgements to that fact.

So please, stop expressing your ignorance to everyone who knows better.

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: All members, listen up...(MUST read)...

The fact that this thread has gone on for this long with this much drama is truly ridiculous. I can hear the auction houses laughing at the forum from here.
sarahsdad

Thanks for your opinion.

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If you don't have anything constructive to say, please show a bit of respect by just moving on to the thread of your choice. I don't hink anyone's laughing at Grey Flannel. They don't remove your bidding privilages because they're "laughing" followed up by a C & D letter from their attorney.

[34swtns]

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I would love for one of them to show up at my place of residence.

911 dispatch: Where's your emergency?

Me: Hello. I just shot an intruder.

Got to love the great Commonwealth of Virginia! Yee-Haw! LOL

That's a BIG affirmative.

I welcome any sort of white collar intimidation at my front door.
By all means, bring it........I've got something for ya'.
Furthermore, the best way to understand the truest meaning of the words 'cease and desist' would begin with darkening my doorstep with a bad attitude.

[mariner_gamers]

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I am shocked that a few on this site think someone's opinions about an auction item translates into justification for personal confrontation at their front door. WOW!! I have lost all respect for those that feel this is some how deserved. Even if you think this situation has been portrayed as overly dramatic condoning someone showing up at SOMEONES PRIVATE RESIDENCE as something that should be expected because of him voicing his opinions is ridiculous!!! I have zero respect for those on here "settling" scores and choosing this topic to do so. You picked the wrong topic, the wrong tone, and the wrong verbiage to get back at past disagreements.

Please keep all of us updated on this and keep your opinions coming!!!!!

Davis

[suave1477]

Re: All members, listen up...(MUST read)...

1) suave1477....

You, simply put, are an idiot.

I am glad you follow the rules of the forum about no name calling.

2) When did I ever say "Richard Russek is on his way out here just for me?
Your words
"That would be the state I live in. I hope he is here for a business matter and nothing related to my special "visitor" yesterday."

Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't that be you implicatiing that Russek is out there for involvment with you???

3)So please, stop expressing your ignorance to everyone who knows better.

My ignorance??? I am so glad your not into name calling. I think your show your character here over and over and everyone can decide for themselves how they feel about this thread or any other thread.

[metsbats]

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First off, thanks for the kind words Joel. I can speak for my wife that they are very much appreciated from us both.


So I just called Grey Flannel, spoke to a gentlemen by the name of "T.J.".

I asked to please speak to Richard Russek. He asked what this was regarding, and I explained that it was a matter that I really wanted to clear up with him.

I was told Richard was out in California at the moment.

That would be the state I live in. I hope he is here for a business matter and nothing related to my special "visitor" yesterday.

Another coincidence? I hope so.....but hey, you know ME.....I'm a f'ing "drama queen"......

I asked T.J. to please try to contact Mr. Russek and have him call me so I can clear up this whole matter with him. I am waiting for him to call.

I"m on GFA mailing list and Richard is in CA on business not related to your post.

[sylbry]

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Most people that feel "threatened" to the point they would act on it (do something, like send a letter, or maybe place some kind of non-tangible pressure on someone) would probably do that because the person is smart and knows a bit too much about certain things. Maybe has a way with "reasoning"...can identify something that maybe most overlook? And if the guy discussing things get a little bit too flambouyant or mouthy in what he is opining on, they feel obligated to shut those types up. MAYBE....once he falls into the trap of exposing stuff he knows, and he's already expressed a LOT of what he knows over the years to the auction houses themselves, that someone somewhere starts to worry "I wonder if he's going to go back and say something about THAT?"

You have nothing to worry about. You apparently aren't smart, and know nothing.

Look, before I ever even knew about this site, I'd call these major auction houses and question stuff. The next thing I knew, the "experts" on the other end of the phone were asking me "What makes you so skeptical about this item?" after they just ran the gamit of it's provenance and history. So I point out the one little fly in the ointment that contradicts the whole issue....suddenly I'm on a silent phone call, and I'm the one realizing I better shut the hell up!

So I'm done attacking. I've learned my lesson. If I feel the need to "express an opinion" on anything going forward, I'll clearly address it as such.

You punk.....you come after me and tell me to be a man and deal with it....well I AM you SOB. And I'm dealing with reality. I strongly suggest you don't make any more skirt-like comments about anyone sitting behind their computers........you GOT ME, pal?

What id I were to tell you I watched an item go for $85,000 and I could prove to you, WITHOUT QUESTION, that it was either of two things:

A) Completely fake
B) Modified to appear to be something it wasn't and NOT described as such.

You think an auction house wants me here spouting this stuff off?

I'll be taking that little secret to my grave, because like I've said....I'm done with this. It's not fun....and on top of it all, I have to deal with guys like YOU....questioning my manhood, and calling me a tool.

He was not threatened so please stop making him out to be a victim. The guy loves drama. From his I know everything attitude to him bragging about him being a major collector to threatening others to demeaning anyone who calls him on his pretend confrontation. Who are you trying to impress anyways? What a joke.

I would imagine the auction companies are having a good laugh at the wreck that is suicide squeeze. I know I would. Heck I would send another letter just to really make him flip out.

If you are really done, then leave. Goodbye. Good riddance. Your obnoxious attitude won't be missed.

[sylbry]

Re: All members, listen up...(MUST read)...

I really don't see why this joker isn't banned. He should have been on notice after that absolutely absurd rant about the Mantle jersey (just the latest of many). If he had actually abided by forum rules Grey Flannel would have told him YOU ARE WRONG. TRY READING THE DESCRIPTION FIRST. Grey Flannel would have done him the favor of saving him from public embarrasment anyways.

Now this thread, come on already.

[aeneas01]

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absolutely one of the most bizarre threads i've ever come across...

1. a cease and desist letter is just that - a request to cease and desist. how such a request could have possibly been construed as a life threatening event, regardless of one's state of mind, is beyond me.

2. to pretend that certain comments recently aimed at gfc were nothing more than typical forum banter and "colorful" opining is absurd because they weren't - and i think that's pretty clear given that every person that weighed in on gfc's current auction didn't receive a c&d. hey, i'm all for upping the ante at times when it comes to calling out an auction house - but if you're going to roll up your sleeves and invite these guys outside you can't go running to mommy when they take you up on your offer and follow you out the door. when pushed too far businesses, like anyone else, will push back. what's so surprising about that?

3. there's nothing mysterious or coincidental about russek's trip to the west coast - he makes the trip often. he told me about this particular trip over a month ago given that he wanted to meet while he was in the area to discuss my collection and chat about the hobby. he's extended an invitation several times in past when he planned to be out here but i haven't been able to make it work.

4. i don't think many forum members are intimidated by auction houses, dealers or sellers and will continue to post valuable information regarding suspect items whenever possible - i know i will. but i also know that if i publicly claim that a business is engaged in fraud, criminal activities, etc. i run the risk of hearing from that business - in the form of a c&d, not leg-breakers.

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[suicide_squeeze]

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I am shocked that a few on this site think someone's opinions about an auction item translates into justification for personal confrontation at their front door. WOW!! I have lost all respect for those that feel this is some how deserved. Even if you think this situation has been portrayed as overly dramatic condoning someone showing up at SOMEONES PRIVATE RESIDENCE as something that should be expected because of him voicing his opinions is ridiculous!!! I have zero respect for those on here "settling" scores and choosing this topic to do so. You picked the wrong topic, the wrong tone, and the wrong verbiage to get back at past disagreements.

Please keep all of us updated on this and keep your opinions coming!!!!!

Davis

It's guys like you that deserve the effort, the sharing of what a limited few have been exposed to.

Thank you for the support and understanding of the situation. I want you to know that I have had other well wishes sent, and I am taking special note to all of them. Thanks from the heart.



I have to say....when I first joined this forum, I was warned by a few members that it has a way of breeding confrontation. I took it all with a grain of salt. Obviously I view the magnitude of those sentiments differently now.

I really enjoy the sharing of knowledge, and enlightenment of the hobby, but some of you people ought to be ashamed of yourselves and the comments you ignorantly lash out.

I am human, and I make mistakes. I have absolutely NO problem admitting that, or apologizing for mine when I do.

Even when the situation is serious to some of us, and turned into a circus by others, I actually still get a laugh out of the humor.

Rudy (kingjammy), I have to tell you that's some kind of computer graphics system you've got going. The terminator spoof had me laughing for quite awhile. I don't have a problem with stuff like that. In fact I welcome it. Laughs are good, sometimes very timly, and always healing to the soul. And the bottom line is, I know your efforts here, albeit a bit rough to some at times, are well intended, so I have a tendancy to laugh with you even when you are indirectly making fun of me.

But man, the other side of this forum is downright ugly. And I have had my eyes opened to that fact, and to a few specific characters. Be careful people, karma is real. I would take a moment and reflect on your projections of venom and anger, just as I will reflect on my over-zealous posts which got me here in the first place.

But I won't back down to insults when you have absolutely NO idea who I am, or what I stand for. Do as you will.

[spartakid]

Re: All members, listen up...(MUST read)...

I must agree, words are one thing, but the reaction that was thought to have stemmed from those words or comments, whether or not they were actually real, would have been completely unjustified. My two cents, maybe we can all take away something from this situation, be more careful about how we approach things, but not necessarily allow ourselves to be silenced either. Ricardo

[spartakid]

Re: All members, listen up...(MUST read)...

Be careful people, karma is real.

With a last name like Mears, I wouldn't have pegged you for being Hindu

[intheminors]

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I like to request and cease and desist on this topic. There are far too many factors involved in this. I can't read nine pages of anything... much less form an opinion on it based on everyone's viewpoint.

I'd like to suggest locking it before things really get out of hand.

[GoTigers]

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The most amazing thing to me about this situation, is the one thing that is getting overlooked... An auction house sent a C&D letter to a member here for expressing his opinion, an opinion that sounds like it is based on facts.

First of all, I highly doubt any auction house will ever take a forum member to court over these issues. Any lawyer can tell you, if a business/person takes someone to court for Defamation of Character, or anything along those lines, its the business/ person who instigated the suite that is really put on trial.

What I mean by that is, the auction house would be taking a well informed collector into court.. which gives the collector an opportunity to show/ prove in a court of law that the auction house runs a fraudulent business. These businesses should be running from this sort of thing. I would call and tell GF you're looking forward to your day in court. You would be the nail in their coffin.