eBay Has Gone To Hell In A Hand Basket!!!

[jonincleve]

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unless you paid any money to the NFL for licensing, i would say that was the problem. even though you bought them from reebok the NFL has not received their check yet from reebok.

if you want to shoot me a private email i have a couple of phone numbers i can relay to you. from work i have an ebay account rep that handles our business account. as larry the cable guys says "we've gone aluminum"

take care
john

jonincleve@sbcglobal.net

[jbcindc]

Re: eBay Has Gone To Hell In A Hand Basket!!!

unless you paid any money to the NFL for licensing, i would say that was the problem. even though you bought them from reebok the NFL has not received their check yet from reebok.

if you want to shoot me a private email i have a couple of phone numbers i can relay to you. from work i have an ebay account rep that handles our business account. as larry the cable guys says "we've gone aluminum"

take care
john

jonincleve@sbcglobal.net

John's right. For the NFL it becomes an intellectual property rights (IPR) issue. You had the jerseys made by Reebok the NFL did not and they and the teams own the copyrights and trademarks that are used.. Because the NFL didn't commission the production of the jerseys they will call them counterfeit or black market. By legal definition they are counterfeit.

If/when the NFL commissions jerseys made to the same specifications as those you're selling, it becomes virtually impossible to discern them from the NFL-commissioned jerseys. Your jerseys would then fall into a category called gray market goods; made by the company licensed to manufacture for the NFL, but never delivered to the NFL. Then you could sell them on e-bay. This happens a lot with apparel in Asia. A company will order 20,000 pair of running shoes and the company will manufacture 25,000 of them. They deliver the 20,000 that were ordered and sell the others on the local market for far less.

About three-four years ago there was a guy selling "game jerseys" on e-bay that were well made counterfeits out of South Korea, I think. I believe that I heard he sold more than 40,000 before his jerseys and user name disappeared from e-bay.

All that said, at the end of today's IPR lesson, I've been on e-bay for over 10 years and have many of the same complaints as everyone else. While I'm mostly a buyer there is very little that protects the seller.

The Favre jersey from Triplexxxsports currently listed on e-bay looks great. I may bid.

Jason

[TriplexXxSports]

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If it is not licensed then how can Reebok do this? Here's the tag.

[Lokee]

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In the original email it would say whay the items where taken down it will look like this...

MC019 eBay Listing Removed: Copyright Violation - Unauthorized Item

What did yours say ?

Also could you copy the message ebay sent you...minus any personal info...that way we can see whay it was taken down.

Sometimes fellow ebayers will turn you in if you copy there description. The description you typed out in your previous posts looks very similiar to other sellers seller the Cutler jersey's (so if you have a copyright violation that is probaby why). If you search ebay there is 42 Cutler Bears items including plenty of Jersey's so there has to be a REASON why yours was singled out.

[kudu]

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If it was a copyright violation, you would have received a VERO notice from Ebay. If your notice was from Ebay Trust & Safety, it was probably due to your shipping and handling fees, and/or notifying buyers that you accept checks/money orders. Ebay has changed many policies over the past couple years. Two of those major changes deal with Paypal(online payment) only for Ebay auctions, and sellers not making any money off of shipping/handling fees. Sucks, but Ebay can do whatever they want to. You might want to try Amazon or Craigslist.

[TriplexXxSports]

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In the original email it would say whay the items where taken down it will look like this...

MC019 eBay Listing Removed: Copyright Violation - Unauthorized Item

What did yours say ?

Also could you copy the message ebay sent you...minus any personal info...that way we can see whay it was taken down.

Dear triplexxxsports(triplexxxsports@yahoo.com),

You recently listed the following listing:

230339866142 - Chicago Bears Jay Cutler Authentic On-Field Jersey - 48
230339866261 - Chicago Bears Jay Cutler Authentic On-Field Jersey - 50
230339866331 - Chicago Bears Jay Cutler Authentic On-Field Jersey - 52
230339866397 - Chicago Bears Jay Cutler Authentic On-Field Jersey - 54
230339866474 - Chicago Bears Jay Cutler Authentic On-Field Jersey - 56


The listing was removed because it violated eBay policy.


Trademark infringement is unlawful and violates eBay's policies. A trademark is a unique sign (such as a name, word, phrase, logo, or symbol) that a company uses to identify its products and/or services.

Using another company's trademark in a way that may confuse buyers about the source of goods or services, or confuses buyers into believing that the seller is affiliated with, sponsored by or endorsed by the trademark owner is both illegal and against eBay's policies. Examples include counterfeits, unauthorized replica items and items that bear the brand or logo of a company without that company's permission.

Guideline: If the product you are listing bears the brand or logo of a company, but it wasn't made or authorized by that company, don't sell it on eBay.

It's against the law to sell unauthorized replicas of brand name products. Accordingly, listings for unauthorized replicas are not permitted on eBay.

For more information, please visit the following Help pages:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/trademark.html

To take the intellectual property tutorial, please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tutorial/verotutorial/intro.html

Please be aware that any additional violations of this policy may result in the suspension of your account. eBay understands that you may be concerned about this situation.


For more information on why eBay may remove a listing, please visit:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/questions/listing-ended.html

Please be assured that your listings have not been targeted in any way. Although there may be similar items currently listed on eBay, we review all listings that are reported to us by eBay members or Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) program participants. We rely on reports from our members to help maintain the safety and security of our Community. We encourage you to report any items by using the REPORT THIS ITEM button on the listing so we can quickly remove any other items that should be removed.


Thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,

eBay Trust & Safety team



H5265

[TriplexXxSports]

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I should just list them as 'Jay Cutler Jerseys' and describe them with 1 picture, and 'you are bidding on a Jay Cutler Jersey. PAYPAL ONLY. Please ask questions'

No mention of Reebok, or any other significant name. Let the buyer decide what the jersey is based on the 1 picture....

I still haven't received a reply from eBay. No surprise there! I'm calling again this morning..

I'll keep everyone updated.

Thanks for all you comments and suggestions!

[allstarsplus]

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I haven't posted yet and will give my opinion that you are the victim of the big problem on eBay of counterfeits with Trademarked items.

Reebok.

I know a guy that does a big business in signed hockey jerseys and he finds the Reebok Ovechkin jerseys on eBay all the time with tags and fighting straps in size 48 to 52.

If you check completed auctions for these you will see some selling for over $100 and some less than $100. This guy concentrates on out of the country sellers for under $100.

http://completed.shop.ebay.com/items/__ovechkin-reebok_W0QQLHQ5fCompleteZ1QQ_dmptZUSQ5fSMQ5fFanQ5fShopQQ_flnZ1QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em283?MA2ShowItems&_rdc=1&guest=1

The guy bought several and showed me the difference between a "Fake" and real. Unreal. The fake ones even had the NHL holograms.

Reebok and the NHL and Reekbok and the NFL are losing tens of $1,000's on these fakes.

eBay's programmers have put in their software programs ways to cut off certain auctions and something in your auction(s) set off their software.

Why don't you try listing 1 at a time and see if that works.

[allstarsplus]

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http://sports-cards.shop.ebay.com/items/Fan-Apparel-Souvenirs__jay-cutler-bears-jersey_W0QQ_catrefZ1QQ_dmptZUSQ5fSMQ5fFanQ5fShopQQ_flnZ1QQ_sacatZ24409QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282

37 Cutler jerseys on eBay right now

[bigtime59]

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As much as eBay drives us all crazy, I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes when it comes to policing all the crap floating around out there.
I recently got dinged for using the words "like new" to describe a lens I was selling. I could understand eBay's not liking that wording...what I couldn't understand is why they didn't give me the opportunity to change the title instead of them pulling the listing and "violating" me.
At this point, I'd be willing to bet that they're filtering listings just like lazy HR departments filter resumes...by keywords.
Now how they didn't catch the very interesting Orioles jerseys that just popped up today, I don't know! (Seller is in PA, but these "Majestic Authentics" are knit, use the wrong font for "Orioles", yet have all the correct patches...the Majestic jock tag is too high, though, which is always a good sign of a bad jersey.)

[TriplexXxSports]

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Well I finally got somewhere on the phone with a rep. Here's what I was told.

It is not the fact that I am in violation of counterfeit items. The jersey that I had ordered from Reebok are 100% authentic, w/ holograms, but they are a variation of the 'Shadow' jersey that have not been released yet. Reebok is still in the process of filling that order.

The reason that you are seeing Cutler jerseys on eBay right now is because they are the blue, white, and orange versions. That order has been filled by Reebok and given to the NFL for resale. That is how these sellers are getting away with underselling the NFL shop. It is impossible for eBay to distinguish the good and the bad between these 3 because they have been released already, and there is no way to prove where these sellers got them from. Mine have not been released. VeRO!!!!!

I think Suicide said it, but I should have flown under the radar a little bit. The rep said that I need to sit on these for a couple of weeks, and relist them with a 'vaguer' description. He also said that using the words 'Authentic' & 'Reebok' along with 'Bears' & 'Cutler' are what set off the alarms. The red flag came up, they saw the black jerseys in the listing and pulled the plug! Andy you were dead on when you spoke about key words setting off a red flag in the system. Like Bourne Ultimatium when the reporter said 'Black Briar' over the cell phone, then had the CIA all over his ass.

Helmets (I think) made a good point as well. Although I would be making a killing be the first to sell the Black Edition jerseys, its better to fly on the straight a narrow, wait it out, and take the small loss. They will still sell and I have plenty of time before preseason.

So here's my next question. If Reebok is still filling the order for the Shadow jerseys to give the NFL, why was I able to make an order, for customized jerseys at that, and receive my jerseys before they are released? Shouldn't they be filling the major orders first? I guess I should be happy that I got mine already and I'm ready to attack the market. Its my own dumb ass for not doing more research before I posted them.

[2000mvpfan]

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TripleX-
Had the same thing happen to me a month ago.Tried selling 3 authentic Mitchell & Ness and 2 Majestic jerseys-bang:shut down for "copyright infringement".Meanwhile,the sweatshop jerseys with fake manufacturer tags don't get shut down-how are they not infringing by selling an obviously fake jersey with obviously fake tags?Anyway,I relisted without company names but kept in the tag pics so people could see they were real and they were allowed to stay up.
Anyway,eBay sucks.

Good Luck,
Joe

[suicide_squeeze]

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TripleX-
Had the same thing happen to me a month ago.Tried selling 3 authentic Mitchell & Ness and 2 Majestic jerseys-bang:shut down for "copyright infringement".Meanwhile,the sweatshop jerseys with fake manufacturer tags don't get shut down-how are they not infringing by selling an obviously fake jersey with obviously fake tags?Anyway,I relisted without company names but kept in the tag pics so people could see they were real and they were allowed to stay up.
Anyway,eBay sucks.

Good Luck,
Joe

Geezuz K-RYST......you need to be fricken COPYRIGHT lawyer to sell on ebay anymore.....what a disgrace. What overkill.

And what a freakin JOKE our country has become.

Honest guys like Matt at Triple xXx try to be open, forthright, and honest in their listing, and because of it he gets a cattle-prod lodged up his whoseyerdaddy and shut down. SHAME on you Matt! How DARE you try to be American and amake a buck? Don't you know that's for the Koreans who are shipping out black-market forgeries? What the hell is wrong with you!??

Hey, Andrew....If we've determined that the phonies that are stealing from us Americans is in fact coming from Korea.....that's not to far from Iraq. I believe our fly boys can "gas up" and drop a few hay-makers over there and make this right awfully quick......

Oh yeah..........did I mention I HATE the holy BEGEEZUZ out of ebay??

[ndevlin]

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Saying that Ebay sucks....it blows.....etc etc....

Is it safe to say some of you guys saying this will never be using Ebay ever again in the future?

[dcrules01]

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I will get slammed for this by you TripleXXX but the Forte jerseys you have listed are fakes.Look at the placement of the jock tag that says everything about the jersey. Also I was not aware that the Chicago Bears had a retail authentic in all black and my information is very updated.If the Cutler jersey has the same placement of the jock tag the jerseys should have been pulled.I am not sure who your contact with Reebok is or if you deal with an in between guy but someone is taking you.Reebok and the NFL have become very strict in there policies.Your Forte jersey is being advertised as an authentic when it is no more than a fashion jersey..As for Cutler not being available for purchase you can order any Cutler jersey of any legit website..Here is a legit blank from the NFL shop look at the placement of the jocktag and here is a picture of your Forte and if I am guessing right you all black Cutler is no different.