MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

[mattmueller]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Rob L came through with video stills of the 1999 All Star game and McGwire in pre game, and his two ABs. Patch is located on different sleeve than the offered jersey. Photos are in the thread in the Memorbilia Discussion topic. Thanks Rob.

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Here's the Hunt 2001 Pujols shirt compared with a 2001 jersey that was auctioned by Christian Family Day (and once owned by Rob Steinmetz). Note the inconsistencies in the fonts (especially the 5 on front), the placement of the 5 on front, the placement of the name plate and number on the back, and the spacing of the letters on the name plate.

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I just re-read your post -- the tag in the sleeve probably is a tag put there my MEARS.

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

In my e-mail to Hunt, I noted that there were no changes to the fonts and sizes of the numbers and letters when Majestic took over. When the Cardinals resumed putting numbers on the front of their shirts in 1999, the numbers were a bit smaller than they were in 1996 and prior -- but they haven't changed since 1999. If you look at photos of Albert from 2001, the 5 on front clearly is different than the Hunt jersey and it's positioned closer to the buttons.





As for the tagging, I think maybe you're just seeing the top half of the size flag. That size 48 flag is only about 50% exposed. I don't see any problem with the tagging front or back.

[xpress34]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

DAMN IT!!!

REVERSE the L and R I put below...

[xpress34]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Jeff -

Two other things I just noticed... in defense of your argument:

1 - as far as I know, Albert has always had his jerseys tailored with the 'straight edge' bottom as he doesn't like tail stuck down his pants.

2 - look closely at the 2001 again... in the top pick look at the R side and the sleeve - in the bottom, look at the L. What is that tag that you can see through the jersey?

- Chris

[xpress34]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I, too, sent Hunt an e-mail last night sharing the same concerns. I also gave them a half-dozen reasons why I think the 2001 Pujols jersey is not up to snuff. If they'd just put the 2001 side-by-side with the legit 2009 shirt they also are auctioning, the differences in the fonts, number/name (plate) placement and custom hem should jump out at them. They really shouldn't have to look any further than the 5 on front to know their jersey doesn't measure up.

Jeff -

Is it possible that some of the inconsistencies come from the fact that in 2001 the Cardinals Jerseys were made by Rawlings and in 2009 they were made by Majestic?

I know that once the Rockies left Russell and went to Majestic there were some changes - the biggest being the buttons on the Home White jerseys. I've mentioned it before - and I'm not sure any other team ahs ever done it - but while with Russell (who had just rcvd the MLB contract in 1993 - Rox 1st year) the Home White Game Uses and Team issued jersseys ahd UNIQUE Cream Colored buttons that were ingraved 'Colorado Rockies' around the edge of them. These jerseys were NOT available at retail until the end of the season when the Rox would send Blank Unused ones to their Dugout stores for sale.

When Majestic took over, they went staright to White Pearlized buttons - Team Issued/Game Used or Authentic (retail)/Replica.

Anyway, not defending Hunt, just palying Devil's advocate and stating what jumped out at me immediately is that you are trying to compare two distinctly different manufacturers.

Just my .02

All the best -

Chris

[mr.miracle]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

It would appear from the photo below, that the offered jersey could have been worn during the workout or BP activities. Assuming that since there is no A.S. game patch on right arm, its a fair assumption it is on the left sleeve, which would match the offered jersey. Also would have to assume players were issued only 2 jerseys. As the All Star patch appears on both left and right sleeves of various players, I could see why the jerseys would have the patch on different sleeves. Also a possibility (slim one) that McGwire changed jerseys during the actual All Star game and wore one with the patch on the left sleeve as offered in the auction. So, as asked in a different thread, anybody have video of the game?

Also, as noted above, nowhere in the listing does Hunt say the jersey was worn in the game. Its written so that you might assume it, but it doesn't say so. I would be interested to read the LOA from Hunt and BAT.

Matt

This is where I could always kick myself for not taping All-Star games. There have been at least 4-5 instances in just the last year where I have desperately searching for pics from past all-star games and very few can be located. I get really pissed at Getty, Corbis etc. as well because you do a search for instance for mlb all star games and last years finale at Yankee Stadium comes up with like 200 pics. You are lucky to be able to find 5 pics of variou 1980's games. Either they don't exist or are buried

[nickacs]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Good work. My read on it also was this was an All Star jersey extra that was give to the B.A.T. charity and was not worn in this game.

My thoughts exactly. My personal opinion is it was "game issued", but never worn as someone already pointed out that Hunt is including "game worn" in some auction item descriptions and some not.

Great work/comments from everyone!

[allstarsplus]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

It would appear from the photo below, that the offered jersey could have been worn during the workout or BP activities. Assuming that since there is no A.S. game patch on right arm, its a fair assumption it is on the left sleeve, which would match the offered jersey. Also would have to assume players were issued only 2 jerseys. As the All Star patch appears on both left and right sleeves of various players, I could see why the jerseys would have the patch on different sleeves. Also a possibility (slim one) that McGwire changed jerseys during the actual All Star game and wore one with the patch on the left sleeve as offered in the auction. So, as asked in a different thread, anybody have video of the game?

Also, as noted above, nowhere in the listing does Hunt say the jersey was worn in the game. Its written so that you might assume it, but it doesn't say so. I would be interested to read the LOA from Hunt and BAT.

Matt

Good work. My read on it also was this was an All Star jersey extra that was give to the B.A.T. charity and was not worn in this game.

[mattmueller]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

It would appear from the photo below, that the offered jersey could have been worn during the workout or BP activities. Assuming that since there is no A.S. game patch on right arm, its a fair assumption it is on the left sleeve, which would match the offered jersey. Also would have to assume players were issued only 2 jerseys. As the All Star patch appears on both left and right sleeves of various players, I could see why the jerseys would have the patch on different sleeves. Also a possibility (slim one) that McGwire changed jerseys during the actual All Star game and wore one with the patch on the left sleeve as offered in the auction. So, as asked in a different thread, anybody have video of the game?

Also, as noted above, nowhere in the listing does Hunt say the jersey was worn in the game. Its written so that you might assume it, but it doesn't say so. I would be interested to read the LOA from Hunt and BAT.

Matt

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

It's funny you mention the Pujols jersey, because its one of the few jerseys in this auction that they label "game used". There exact terminology is "2009 Albert Pujols autographed game worn St. Louis Cardinals home jersey". It makes me nervous when some of the jerseys have the "game used" moniker, while most do not. Does this mean that a jersey with "light use" is realy game issued?

Don't confuse the Pujols jerseys. The 2009 is game used. It's the 2001 jersey that has multiple inconsistencies.

[sportscentury]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

It's funny you mention the Pujols jersey, because its one of the few jerseys in this auction that they label "game used". There exact terminology is "2009 Albert Pujols autographed game worn St. Louis Cardinals home jersey". It makes me nervous when some of the jerseys have the "game used" moniker, while most do not. Does this mean that a jersey with "light use" is realy game issued?

Again, you need to read the other thread that already covered this. Since you didn't want to take five seconds to search for it, here it is:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=25636

[nogloss]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

It's funny you mention the Pujols jersey, because its one of the few jerseys in this auction that they label "game used". There exact terminology is "2009 Albert Pujols autographed game worn St. Louis Cardinals home jersey". It makes me nervous when some of the jerseys have the "game used" moniker, while most do not. Does this mean that a jersey with "light use" is realy game issued?

[sportscentury]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

If they are bad, I certainly hope they remove them. Winning bidders may have a tough time returning them after the fact, even if they have proof that they are bad. I bought a 1977 Carlton road jersey from Hunt once. It was sold as game worn, all original, unaltered. Well, Howard Wolf quickly demonstrated that the nameplate was restored (if memory serves me, I think Howard distinctly pointed out 6 or 7 things wrong with it, not the least of which was extra pin-holes!). I drove to Hunt's office to show them the proof, but David Hunt still insisted that it was all original, unaltered, including the nameplate. This was back when Hunt was using MEARS, so I contacted Dave Bushing and Dan Knoll. They reviewed the jersey again, and each individually called me to apologize for the mistake, which I very much appreciated. Bushing and Knoll quickly agreed that it was restored. Still, Hunt insisted it was all original, unaltered. I did get my money back, but it was only because of MEARS' buyback guarantee. I have not bid on a Hunt Auction item since. I don't even get their catalogs any longer. The jersey was over 7 grand ... I mean, who needs that kind of upset or hassle? They do offer some great items, and I don't have anything against the auction house ... but I just decided it was too risky to bid any longer. I thought about trying them out again when they offered Kobe's Christmas shoes earlier this year, but I couldn't match them with any photos.