MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

[mr.miracle]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I generally think Hunt is a great auction house although I have never purchased anything from them. They just don't provide enough photos.

[skyking26]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

What is really pathetic is that several of these auction companies expect the buyer to drop what amounts to serious cash on game worn jersey's and other game used and yet they provide you with two pictures or sometimes one in the writeup. I applaud the Auction Houses that actually take the time to put a full array of pics in from day one. It just seems kind of ridiculous that you would not take the time to snap a number of pics of the tail tagging on jersey's, any wash tags, etc. I wonder how many request are made once these auctions are in progress for additional pics? It must not be as many as we think since they never take the time to do it right from day one.

Yea, count me out unless I see some pics. Not even a courtesy email saying they'd get to it... Whatever.

[mr.miracle]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I asked Hunt's for pics of tags on the 2001 McGwire other day; no reply.

What is really pathetic is that several of these auction companies expect the buyer to drop what amounts to serious cash on game worn jersey's and other game used and yet they provide you with two pictures or sometimes one in the writeup. I applaud the Auction Houses that actually take the time to put a full array of pics in from day one. It just seems kind of ridiculous that you would not take the time to snap a number of pics of the tail tagging on jersey's, any wash tags, etc. I wonder how many request are made once these auctions are in progress for additional pics? It must not be as many as we think since they never take the time to do it right from day one.

[skyking26]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Heard from Cheryl this morning. Seems they didn't reject the 2001 Pujols jersey on its own merits; it was the LOA that didn't stand up to scrutiny:

After working with the Cardinal Care Foundation we are all in agreement that the letter from them is bogus. We have not spent any time at this point going back and figuring out exactly what is the accurate representation for the jersey. The bogus letter was suspect enough to pull the jersey. We will suggest to our consigner that they may want to re-submit the jersey for a more rigorous authentication to determine exactly what he has.


Best Regards,
Cheryl Goyda

I like her comment about resubmitting the jersey for a "more rigorous authentication."

I asked Hunt's for pics of tags on the 2001 McGwire other day; no reply.

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Heard from Cheryl this morning. Seems they didn't reject the 2001 Pujols jersey on its own merits; it was the LOA that didn't stand up to scrutiny:

After working with the Cardinal Care Foundation we are all in agreement that the letter from them is bogus. We have not spent any time at this point going back and figuring out exactly what is the accurate representation for the jersey. The bogus letter was suspect enough to pull the jersey. We will suggest to our consigner that they may want to re-submit the jersey for a more rigorous authentication to determine exactly what he has.


Best Regards,
Cheryl Goyda

I like her comment about resubmitting the jersey for a "more rigorous authentication."

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I am still working on evaluating the Pujols jersey and will let you know our findings when I have completed my research.

Best Regards,
Cheryl Goyda

Hunt Auctions
256 Welsh Pool Rd
Exton, Pa 19341

I have not yet received an e-mail with the results of Hunt's research on the 2001 Pujols jersey, but the jersey has been withdrawn from the auction. The bidding already had exceeded $2,100. Kudos to Hunt for following up and taking the appropriate action.

[mattmueller]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

My post with the man hug photo really took this in a different direction than the focus should be. Hopefully it is pretty clear the offered jersey did not see All Star Game action and Hunt amends their description accordingly.

Matt

[sportscentury]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

matt,

here is the photo you posted:



i don't believe it's logical to think that the jersey above does not have the patch on the right sleeve. if you look at the position of the sleeve crease, it seems that most of what's being seen is the rear of the sleeve. there's a lot more sleeve that's being twisted around/hidden from view. i believe the patch is on the right sleeve and it simply can't be seen. i've seen many jerseys in photos that looked like they were missing a patch but the sleeve was simply positioned/twisted in a such a way that it hid the patch.

rudy.

If you play with the contrast a bit, it looks like you can see the edge of the patch.

[kingjammy24]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

Assuming that since there is no A.S. game patch on right arm...

matt,

here's what i mean by the sleeve creases. the red arrows below point to the sleeve creases. your photo is showing the rear of mcgwire's sleeve. i think you believed you were seeing the side of it.



rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

From the photo I posted above, isn't the logical guess is that he was given a jersey with the patch on the left sleeve and he wore it during the workout day? That is the jersey that BAT and now Hunt received?

matt,

here is the photo you posted:



i don't believe it's logical to think that the jersey above does not have the patch on the right sleeve. if you look at the position of the sleeve crease, it seems that most of what's being seen is the rear of the sleeve. there's a lot more sleeve that's being twisted around/hidden from view. i believe the patch is on the right sleeve and it simply can't be seen. i've seen many jerseys in photos that looked like they were missing a patch but the sleeve was simply positioned/twisted in a such a way that it hid the patch.

rudy.

[mattmueller]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

To Jeff's reply from Hunt, and to get all this into the same thread. Rob L provided stills from McGwire pre-game, introductions, 3ABs and one trip to the on deck circle from the game in a different thread. Photos below, none match the offered.

[mattmueller]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

From the photo I posted above, isn't the logical guess is that he was given a jersey with the patch on the left sleeve and he wore it during the workout day? That is the jersey that BAT and now Hunt received? Different question altogether why McGwire wore the full Cards uni and everybody else in the photo was wearing the "BP" jerseys.

[kingjammy24]

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quote from hunt's: "I did some research yesterday and found a photo of Wetteland and Offerman on Getty Images #51615978 that offers evidence that the patches may have been on either arms for reasons unknown to us. Wetteland's is on his right arm and Offerman's is on his left arm".

nonsense. obviously all-stars from different teams have long worn the ASG patch on different sleeves. as for the "reasons unknown" to hunt, let me offer the common sense explanation that it would've been very difficult to sew the ASG patch on wetteland's left sleeve when that sleeve already had a texas rangers patch sewn onto it. typically, if the default location for the ASG patch is already occupied by another team patch, they'll simply sew the ASG patch on the opposite sleeve.



if cheryl/hunts had simply looked at a few more photos of the '99 rangers she would've seen why wetteland had to have the ASG patch on his right sleeve.

obviously the location of the ASG patch would be expected to vary by team given that some teams wore team patches while others didn't. however, there shouldn't be a variation of the ASG patch for a single player.

anyway, i believe this mcgwire shirt was previously auctioned off by mastro sometime around 1999/2000 when mastro received a large bulk of the B.A.T. '99 ASG shirts. see this thread: http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=25350

not only does the mcgwire jersey not match game photos/video, but the joe torre jersey offered by mastro/B.A.T. didn't match up either.

not only is the patch an issue but the nameplate is too high.



here's a picture of ryne sandberg during the 1991 ASG. both of the sleeves of the 1991 cubs road shirts had team patches on them (cubs patch and bear patch) so they sewed the ASG patch the only place they could..on top of one of the team patches:



rudy.

[hblakewolf]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I received this e-mail from Hunt today regarding the McGwire jersey:

I understand your question about the McGwire jersey due to the photo yousent with your email. I did some research yesterday and found a photo of Wetteland and Offerman on Getty Images #51615978 that offers evidence that the patches may have been on either arms for reasons unknown to us. Wetteland's is on his right arm and Offerman's is on his left arm. I also found an image of Martinez on Gold Medal Impressions with the patch on his left arm. One thought that has been referenced in the past (unrelated to this jersey) was that player uniform patches would sometimes be placed on their lead shoulder when batting (right or left handed) so as to provide maximum visibility on t.v. batting shots. Perhaps the athletes were issued two uniforms for the 1999 All Star game. The letter from BAT states that the uniforms used by the athletes were collected by BAT after the game, signed and given to BAT to be sold for the benefit of The Baseball Assistance Team. So, we certainly always appreciate any additional insight offered to us so as to better inform interested bidders and as such will be making a notation to the auction description online.

I am still working on evaluating the Pujols jersey and will let you know our findings when I have completed my research. Obviously, we will amend our descriptions and or remove from the auction any item we deem not to be authentic as we have done many times in the past.

Best Regards,
Cheryl Goyda

Hunt Auctions
256 Welsh Pool Rd
Exton, Pa 19341

Jeff-
Glad to see that the folks at Hunts addressed this and replied to you.

Regrdless of this email, I've yet to see a single shot of this jersey in question being worn or a shot with the patch placement on the opposite arm as offered on this particular jersey.

I don't have any interest in hypothesis, or comparisons to other players' jerseys. Let's just stick to the facts of this prticular jersey and the lack of any evidence to support it was worn during the 1999 AS Game.

As I always note, do your own homework. In this case, my "homework" and extensive research has yet to pass the grade that this shirt was ever on the back of big MAC before, during or after the '99 AS Game. Should another forum reader have any supporting photos, please post.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[Birdbats]

Re: MARK McGWIRE '99 ALL STAR JERSEY????

I received this e-mail from Hunt today regarding the McGwire jersey:

I understand your question about the McGwire jersey due to the photo yousent with your email. I did some research yesterday and found a photo of Wetteland and Offerman on Getty Images #51615978 that offers evidence that the patches may have been on either arms for reasons unknown to us. Wetteland's is on his right arm and Offerman's is on his left arm. I also found an image of Martinez on Gold Medal Impressions with the patch on his left arm. One thought that has been referenced in the past (unrelated to this jersey) was that player uniform patches would sometimes be placed on their lead shoulder when batting (right or left handed) so as to provide maximum visibility on t.v. batting shots. Perhaps the athletes were issued two uniforms for the 1999 All Star game. The letter from BAT states that the uniforms used by the athletes were collected by BAT after the game, signed and given to BAT to be sold for the benefit of The Baseball Assistance Team. So, we certainly always appreciate any additional insight offered to us so as to better inform interested bidders and as such will be making a notation to the auction description online.

I am still working on evaluating the Pujols jersey and will let you know our findings when I have completed my research. Obviously, we will amend our descriptions and or remove from the auction any item we deem not to be authentic as we have done many times in the past.

Best Regards,
Cheryl Goyda

Hunt Auctions
256 Welsh Pool Rd
Exton, Pa 19341