e-bay deal question

[vonbrandingo]

Re: e-bay deal question

Not a reach. I've stated facts. Your ebay feedback is not 100% as you state when trying to convey your reputation in this thread. Even if ebay is "investigating" the negative left for you about a month ago. And this is after I changed my negative to a neutral because you did refund my money. So all the others are not positive either. I'm sure you would have disputed my negative with ebay too, but it would have done no good since it was a clear violation of ebay policy.

With the Dunn bat price, I was pointing out a discrepancy in your details... twice you state in the thread about the Dunn bat that it was a $200 bat... before you posted that you reached a conclusion about it with the buyer.

I've sold only 40 items on ebay but haven't had a single problem like this or the others you post about. So something must be going on with you. All I know is, after my incident with you, this thread, and the Dunn thread, you're quick to put down your buyers and I wouldn't buy from you again because I don't trust what you say.

[newyork2]

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Not a reach. I've stated facts. Your ebay feedback is not 100% as you state when trying to convey your reputation in this thread. Even if ebay is "investigating" the negative left for you about a month ago. And this is after I changed my negative to a neutral because you did refund my money. So all the others are not positive either. I'm sure you would have disputed my negative with ebay too, but it would have done no good since it was a clear violation of ebay policy.

With the Dunn bat price, I was pointing out a discrepancy in your details... twice you state in the thread about the Dunn bat that it was a $200 bat... before you posted that you reached a conclusion about it with the buyer.

I've sold only 40 items on ebay but haven't had a single problem like this or the others you post about. So something must be going on with you. All I know is, after my incident with you, this thread, and the Dunn thread, you're quick to put down your buyers and I wouldn't buy from you again because I don't trust what you say.

Yea this guy seemed a little shady when this thread started, Thanks for telling us his ebay ID, I know I wont be buying anything from him.

[vonbrandingo]

Re: e-bay deal question

Yea this guy seemed a little shady when this thread started, Thanks for telling us his ebay ID, I know I wont be buying anything from him.

Sure, I wonder why he even started the thread. Stating that he sold a bat that he guaranteed to be authentic and that failed PSA/DNA authentication will only make potential buyers think twice about buying his items. If I hadn't purchased anything from him before, I'd be thanking him for the heads up not to.

[BULBUS]

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If I bought a bat that was "guaranteed authentic" and it didn't pass PSA, I would want my money back.

-Chris

[Vintagedeputy]

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If I bought a bat that was "guaranteed authentic" and it didn't pass PSA, I would want my money back.

-Chris

See, that's where I disagree. Aside from the fact that he never claimed that it would pass "third party authentication", there's something else to consider...

We've all seen bats and such used by other players, so we know that these things occur within the hobby. Players also change their habits on occassion so nothing is set in stone. Just because a third party won't authenticate an item doesnt necessarily mean the item is not genuine. Sure, a PSA/DNA certification or other paperwork would add to it, but I just dont think that third party auth's should be the end all/be all.

[ndevlin]

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Lets say I have a Mickey Mantle game used bat for sale and I 100% guarantee its authentic. Well, the new owner sends it in to get it authenticated and they say they cannot because it doesnt match up to Mantle's characteristics, but one of his teammates, like Harry Bright.

Now, would you want a authentic Mantle bat used by Harry Bright? I know I wouldnt for the money one would probably drop on it. Because its not a game used Mickey Mantle bat. Just like you had your bat used by that particular player.

Pretty much, you didnt sell the guy the same item you had listed in the auction. Yes, it was an authentic John Doe bat.....I guess. But used by John Doe, well, Taube answered that question for ya. Really, I dont think its that difficult. Like I said, Id be pissed too and would want a refund.

[PwKw13]

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Lots of sellers will guarantee something to be authentic, but that isn't always meaningful. The person issuing the guarantee could have no experience whatsoever in the hobby (and could be just passing along what they were told by a previous seller). If nobody else believes that the item is legitimate, what good is the guarantee. I think authentication by a reputable third party is important and reasonable to expect.

[skinsfan0521]

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I think we'd need to know EXACTLY what Taube said, but it seems to me that his response was that it was a bat used by Player X, but had some use that looked like it wasn't from Player X. So, it could have been used by both Player X and Player Y... therefore it would be "authentic" because it was used by X. Nobody said it was ONLY used by X. I may have misunderstood what Taube said, but that was my interpretation of it.

Plus, as somebody mentioned earlier, authenticators are often wrong. Think of all the stories you hear about people getting an item autographed in person, right in front of them and then they submit it to be "authenticated" and they say it's not legit. There's variances to everything and an exception to every rule. Especially when you're trying to match up characteristics. If there was a photomatch (one way or the other) then obviously there would be no question.

And, on top of all that, the buyer wrote an email, saying that they got the item and were happy with it. That's really the only thing that matters. No matter what happens after that, it's a moot point.

-Brian

[mr.miracle]

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Lets say I have a Mickey Mantle game used bat for sale and I 100% guarantee its authentic. Well, the new owner sends it in to get it authenticated and they say they cannot because it doesnt match up to Mantle's characteristics, but one of his teammates, like Harry Bright.

Now, would you want a authentic Mantle bat used by Harry Bright? I know I wouldnt for the money one would probably drop on it. Because its not a game used Mickey Mantle bat. Just like you had your bat used by that particular player.

Pretty much, you didnt sell the guy the same item you had listed in the auction. Yes, it was an authentic John Doe bat.....I guess. But used by John Doe, well, Taube answered that question for ya. Really, I dont think its that difficult. Like I said, Id be pissed too and would want a refund.

Not picking on anything particular here, but if anybody was dumb enough to buy a Mickey Mantle or similar HOF calibre player bat without having it professionally authenticated first then they should probably have their head examined. I have been for instance collecting Ripken game used for 20 plus years but I never put down $3k or more on a Ripken without first running it by a number of people at a minimum. I currently have 11 game used Ripken bats and all but two have been authenticated by MEARS or Taube. One of the other two came directly from a former team employee/clubhouse attendant. Mantle, Musial, DiMaggio etc. are in a totally different league than Ripken price wise etc. Maybe just me, but you have to be nuts to do something like that.

[vonbrandingo]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0521;149537]I think we'd need to know EXACTLY what Taube said

I agree with this and we'd also need to see the ebay auction item details. I believe the seller changes details to get forum members' approval so evidence of the facts would be necessary before making an opinion that this seller's actions are acceptable and that selling a guaranteed authentic item that fails authentication is an example of good and fair business.

[ndevlin]

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[quote=vonbrandingo;149634]

I think we'd need to know EXACTLY what Taube said

I agree with this and we'd also need to see the ebay auction item details. I believe the seller changes details to get forum members' approval so evidence of the facts would be necessary before making an opinion that this seller's actions are acceptable and that selling a guaranteed authentic item that fails authentication is an example of good and fair business.

Yep yep! How about a link to the auction so we can see what you're talking about here....

[sportscentury]

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Is the seller/justinlm24 still participating in this thread?

[earlywynnfan]

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I, too, am wondering why this thread was started, considering the original poster seems to have his mind up exactly what he is going to do.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[emann]

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Seller should probably just give a refund and relist on ebay; if you've actually got names of other buyers why make that buyer contact them? Do the extra step yourself- you're a seller, it's not a big deal...

The timeline (almost a month) seems like the buyer bought it, waited to get it, shipped it to Taube, waited on Taube, then got the news (maybe waited to get the bat back even?). That's not an unfair amount of time for those steps, it's not like he sat on it for 3 months...

[vonbrandingo]

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Went to leave a follow-up to the neutral feedback I gave justinlm/paytonlm on eBay, and his feedback is now at 71.4%. Perhaps the negative he just received is for the transaction that is the original subject of this thread, but the auction link and buyer's id are unavailable b/c paytonlm's feedback profile is currently private.

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