Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

[mr.miracle]

Okay Orioles & Ripken experts, I would appreciate any feedback on this 1995 Cal Ripken Jr. Gray Road Jersey from the year Cal broke Gerhigs streak. Any feedback on whether this is the real deal would be a great help.

Thanks
Brett

DESCRIPTION:

From the record-breaking season in which Ripken broke Lou Gehrig’s prestigious consecutive game streak, presented here is a game worn Cal Ripken Jr. gray knit road jersey from the 1995 season. Jersey wears the appropriate Russell Athletic tag, size “48”, with 2” extra length designation. The “95” year tag is appropriately sewn on underneath the primary tag. Capping off this jersey and defining its prominent year of usage, Ripken has signed across the front in silver metallic marker, “Cal Ripken Jr. – Iron Man – 5.30.82 – 9.6.95 – '2131'.” In excellent condition. An official Steiner certification hologram is affixed in the proximity of the signature. LOAs from Grey Flannel and Global Authentication.



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[suave1477]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

I am not a ripken expert but i would say it looks pretty good and it comes with 3 LOAS.

I mean 3 LOAS is pretty good.

Now I realize the Steiner LOA is most likely for the autograph, I am assuming the other 2 are for the actual jersey. I would say it is highly likely real!!!

[hblakewolf]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

Great jersey-this is the first time I have seen a "Ripken Gamer" with the front 8 upside down! Would love to know who wrote a LOA on this "unique and rare" version of a Rip gamer.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[mr.miracle]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

So Howard are you saying this is not the real deal? I am assuming if the front 8 is upside down that this could not be real then?

THanks
Brett

[suave1477]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

Hello Howard I am curious myself is there that much of a difference between the number is being upside down or not what i mean is "8" its 2 circles put togather how can you tell which is the right side.
Thats my first question.

Second..... Just becuz the 8 is upside down means its a total fake????? I mean something like that can be an easy manufacturers mistake.

If the 8 is up side down it doesnt exactly set off red flags of being a fake it might make me question it a little but not exactly a fake!!!

[hblakewolf]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

Brett-
There is always a chance Rip wore it, however, I can't locate a single photo from 1995 of him playing with such a shirt-can you? If you are comfortable with a Rip jersey that has an upside down 8, by all means go for it!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[hblakewolf]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

Here is a photo of Rip in 1995-notice how the large portion of the 8 is on the bottom, as it should be. Compare it to the jersey in question..........


Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

(moderator note- didn't edit message- just put in a good link to the ripken photo, so all could see.....)

[mr.miracle]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

I too will do some additional photo searches. I must admit it was/is hard for me to see the difference in the 8 as Mr. Suave says. I trust your judgement on that element however. I will see if I can come up with any photos of it. I am beginning to believe that the authenticators out there simply sign off on anything. Again, not saying it is fake but if the 8 is upside down, you would think three companies authenticating would have had somebody notice this error.

Thanks
Brett

[bigtime59]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

Man, is THIS jersey back AGAIN?!? OK, repeat after me: it doesn't matter that the front 8 is upside down, this is a script that was only used by the Orioles late in 1996. You can find evidence of Roberto Alomar wearing it on the road in the playoffs that year, and of a couple of other players wearing it at home, but it was NOT worn in 1995, and was not worn on the black jerseys (not at issue, here, but it's come up before.) It could have 60 LOAs, and it still would not be what it purports to be.

[mr.miracle]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

So what you are sayin is that somebody purposely mistagged this jersey to pass it off as a game used 95. Since it is tagged 95 from what you are saying this is a fake. Where and how many times has this jersey shown up before? UR auctions sold a similar Black alternate Orioles Ripken game worn same exact type of autograph and everything back in December 2005 I believe. I think it was supposedly same year, same exact auto etc. SO you are saying this jersey is not just mistagged, it is a complete and utter fraud? What the LOA thing says to me is that somebody is just signing off on these things without doing any type of real homework.

Thanks
Brett

[bigtime59]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

So what you are sayin is that somebody purposely mistagged this jersey to pass it off as a game used 95. Since it is tagged 95 from what you are saying this is a fake. Where and how many times has this jersey shown up before? UR auctions sold a similar Black alternate Orioles Ripken game worn same exact type of autograph and everything back in December 2005 I believe. I think it was supposedly same year, same exact auto etc. SO you are saying this jersey is not just mistagged, it is a complete and utter fraud? What the LOA thing says to me is that somebody is just signing off on these things without doing any type of real homework.

Thanks
Brett

Brett:
Yes, my belief is that somebody either pulled the year tag off a 95 game issue jersey, or made up one of their own, to create a bogus Ripken jersey. Orioles year-tagged game issue jerseys used to be fairly easy to get at their annual Fanfest.
A couple of other issues that I didn't bring up in the last post:
The jersey shows evidence of washing (note the wrinkling of the "Orioles" script, and of the piping down the front). Why doesn't the tag?
The nameplate on the back of this jersey does not match those found on any of the 1995-1996 Orioles jerseys in my collection. It's not arched enough, and the ends are cut off straight, rather than on an angle. It also appears to be too short.
As to the LOAs, they're not here for us to read. If the LOAs are for the autograph, well, fine. The autograph looks OK to me (which means about nothing, as I'm not an autograph authenticator, but it does look like ones I've seen before). If the LOAs are for the jersey, then, in my opinion, based on photographic evidence, and items from my collection, then they are incorrect.
Mark

[mr.miracle]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

Thanks Howard and Mark for your excellent observations. With the prevalence of scrub jerseys obtainable through Fan Fest as you mentioned, there is every reason for a dirty dog to go out pick up some cheap scrub jersey's and alter a Ripken or make a Ripken and sell up for upwards of 3k. Obviously this kind of thing goes on all the time. I appreciate your great feedback on this item.

Thanks
Brett

[mr.miracle]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

I knew I could find that jersey. Here is another Ripken same auction company ended in Dec 05. Does this one look any different or do you think somebody is forging these things and consigning them over to American for auction?


LOT: 48 Cal Ripken Jr. 1995 "Record Breaker" Game Used Signed Jersey

Category: Sports >> Game Used/Worn

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From the record-breaking season in which Ripken broke Lou Gehrig’s prestigious consecutive game streak, presented here is a game worn Cal Ripken Jr. black knit jersey from the 1995 season. Jersey wears the appropriate Russell Athletic tag, size “48”, with 2” extra length designation. The “1995” year tag is appropriately sewn on underneath the primary tag. Capping off this jersey and defining its prominent year of usage, Ripken has signed across the front in silver metallic marker, “Cal Ripken Jr. – Iron Man – 5.30.82 – 9.6.95 – “2131.” Some light game usage present, otherwise in excellent condition. An official Steiner certification hologram is affixed in the proximity of the signature. LOAs from Global Authentication and Lou Lampson. Click on a thumbnail image above to display a larger image below.

[hblakewolf]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

Forum Readers-
One major issue is the Russell tag. This particular tag was first used in 1996. As such, I have no idea how this could be sewn into a 1995 jersey, Note the washing instructions. 1995 jerseys should have 4 lines of text, not 5 as this has. 5 lines was used on Russell tagging from 1996-1999.

FYI
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[ripkengamers]

Re: Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

Looks like this "questionable" jersey is already up to $3,800.00 !! Can't wait to sell my St. Patty's Jersey